To: Mary Cluney who wrote (102977 ) 3/3/2005 2:20:08 PM From: Maurice Winn Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 793931 Mary, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but for the most part [nearly always] I find myself agreeing with Fred. Also with Thomas Sowell, another favourite commentator of mine jewishworldreview.com It might be a surprise to you, but women, men, white, black, tall, short, small-brained, large brained, are all different from each other in brainpower as groups. Most people are completely innumerate and will say "Look, I know a woman and she is really smart and look at that moron bloke. So you can see that men are NOT smarter than women at maths." Give them a standard deviation and they'll call the anti-paedophile squad. "Deviant at 10 o'clock low ... emergency, emergency. Fire at will." There is no reason why the distribution of brainpower in any of those groups should be the same as all the others. There's no universal gravitational constant for intelligence of various types which results in all groups having the same median, mean and distribution. The difference between men and women is because of innate differences. I doubt if it could even be bred out. A few generations of breeding of negroes, or tall people, or short people would be enough to make their intelligence match another group. But women, that's another matter. They have structural differences in two ways which cannot be changed. One is they are missing a Y chromosome. They are stuck with two XXs. We blokes have got an X and a Y, which is why we can do algebra. 3X +2Y = 24 If Y = 8, what is X? Males can do that on their fingers. Women, missing the Y chromosome don't have any idea what it all means. I admit I haven't studied biology and aren't totally sure what those X and Y chromosomes do, but I bet it's quite a big deal and algebra could well be an issue. The other big difference in women is that their brains are fully grown by the time they are twelve. Blokes' brains go on growing for another 3 years. When a brain is fully grown, that's the end of that. If brains miss development stages, they can't pick it up in later years. That's why people can NEVER take up golf when they are 22 and think they can beat Tiger Woods who started when he was 1. Get 100 random people and get them to play golf for 20 hours when they are 5, 10 and 15. Get another 100 random people who have NEVER played golf and give them 500 hours when they are 20 and another 100 when they are 40 and another 100 when they are 60 and watch the differenc. Have you heard the expression, "You can't teach an old dog new tricks"? The reason they teach guide dogs and police dogs and budgies and children when they are young is because we all know that learning is fast and furious in infancy and slows down until by the time we are 90, we are losing ground. We are unlearning at high speed and learning little. The biggest slowdown is when our brains are fully grown and we start operating on crystallized intelligence. Women's brains are fully grown by the age of 12. Maths is not introduced until age 14 [other than a bit of counting and stuff]. Women look at it and go blank [generally]. The education of girls needs to be different from that of boys. It needs to allow for the brain development of the individual. Overall, girls need earlier introduction to things. Bad luck for them, but they are [on average] stuck with a shorter period of childhood and therefore have a shorter time to cram it all in. Because verbal activities in childhood are intense, it's not surprising that women are just fine with verbal intelligence. If maths [which is just another language] was introduced at age 6 months, instead of talking, women would do very well. EVERYONE would do vastly better. The same for language learning. Girls need to be on the case before age 12. Boys need to be on the case by age 15. Of course people can learn languages after that, but it's more difficult. Weird sounds especially need to be learned young. That's why accents are retained always for people older than age 22 whereas youngsters become fully fluent if they learn to make the sounds before they are 10, and do it easily in about 3 months. Easier still at age 3. So now you know. Women are different. Which is pretty obvious really. It's innate. Nature has created specialization by gender. Fred was quite right on the Harvard University stuff. You are misrepresenting Fred's notions. <But until someone like you puts a knife into the heart of Fred's notions, Fred's notions will keep coming back in different disguises. In the last war that we thought was to end all wars, we thought we had ended Fred's notions. We were wrong on both counts. > Also, I dislike violent expressions such as "putting a knife in the heart of Fred's notions". There are altogether too many commonly used violent expressions like that. "Heads will roll" etc... I prefer more ladylike expressions. None of which is to say I think women should be treated as less than human. I think they should have full human rights and although they are obviously deficient in the chromosome and hence algebra departments, and need to get their education young and intense, they have got very valuable attributes too. For example they look great in bikinis, draped over a new car. You can take one look at a naked male and see why the car companies do NOT want naked males draped over their cars. I consider it sexist that I can't be paid a lot of money for flaunting my naked Y chromosomes in a car show, but accept that in a Libertarian world, each person should do what they want, without compulsion, hire who they like generally run their own lives. I note in passing that cars used to have a lot of chrome on them. I've just realized that's because of the chromosomes and the importance of them in the car business. See these women selling cars. web.ticino.com and this one: kgrr.com and this one, selling car washes: classic-car-quest.co.uk I can see that me draped over the car, wearing a thong, would NOT enhance the saleability of the vehicle. C'est la vie. I'll just have to continue doing XY stuff for a living. Boring, but that's life. Mqurice