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To: tejek who wrote (222169)	3/5/2005 6:01:29 PM
From: RetiredNow	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1576600

Change can and does occur from without. You forget that the Muslims conquered very large swathes of land and then prosperity and intellectual enlightenment ensued. The Romans did the same. The British did the same. Each of those empires left a lot of culture and intellectual improvements behind. They left alot of bad things behind too. Saying that the Muslims won't change despite an invasion and intense worldwide pressure is being historically ignorant. You see, tejek, they are already changing. The world is forcing Muslims to modernize and they really only have a small choice in the matter: whether they do it in their own fashion or whether the world foists its own version of modernity on them. The struggle we see today is the struggle the Muslims are going through to wrest control of their own destiny from the forces of modernity. But a battle against modernization is like pissing into a tsunami to try to hold it back. Good luck.

To: tejek who wrote (222169)	3/7/2005 12:36:29 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 1576600

Everything I have learned about that dynamic suggests that change can only come from within and not from without A lot of the change that is needed has to come from within but it can be in reaction to external actions. Also the "change from within" can often be blocked from within or from without. External pressure or force is sometimes needed to remove the block. The body heals its own wounds but the doctor might have to kill the infection that keeps the wound from healing. Tim