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To: RetiredNow who wrote (222227)	3/5/2005 6:45:27 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576610

Change can and does occur from without. You forget that the Muslims conquered very large swathes of land and then prosperity and intellectual enlightenment ensued. The Romans did the same. The British did the same. Each of those empires left a lot of culture and intellectual improvements behind. They left alot of bad things behind too. Saying that the Muslims won't change despite an invasion and intense worldwide pressure is being historically ignorant. Like I have said previously, you have a much more optimistic view of important world events. Its true that the Muslims built beautiful cities and made great contributions to civilization but they also enslaved the people that they conquered and raped the land. Same with the Romans. Even more true with the Brits. Its Britain that helped make much of the current messes in the ME....with Israel and Palestine, Iraq, Egypt etc. And the Brits were not above taking the best of everything from their colonies and hauling them back to the UK. The Egyptians and Greeks have filed separate lawsuits against a British Museum trying to get their artifacts back. Rarely, does an outsider invoke positive change.....and for good reason, they don't have a vested interest in the area. Its why an American city freaks whenever they lose the home offices of a major corporate office. When the home office is 1000 miles away, its less likely that the corp. will care what's happening to a city. Don't forget......the reason we fought for our independence was because Brit. was over taxing the colonies. In fact, history is on my side.........rarely does the good generated by an outsider outweigh the bad. You see, tejek, they are already changing. The world is forcing Muslims to modernize and they really only have a small choice in the matter: whether they do it in their own fashion or whether the world foists its own version of modernity on them. The struggle we see today is the struggle the Muslims are going through to wrest control of their own destiny from the forces of modernity. But a battle against modernization is like pissing into a tsunami to try to hold it back. Good luck. We'll see. ted

To: RetiredNow who wrote (222227)	3/5/2005 7:25:32 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576610

The Left's denial of Bush's accomplishment in the Mideast serves only to marginalize their own roles in the future. Watching Capital Gang, you hear Carlson and Shields denying that our overthrowing Saddam has been the impetus for what may be a transformation underway in the Mideast. This is an utterly ignorant perspective and I think the American people (and for that matter, the Europeans) don't believe it. It may not happen. But at this point, it would appear that Bush's foreign policy could well result in not only mkaing the world a safer place, but bringing freedom to untold millions in the Mideast and put an end to the Palestinian crisis to boot. It is an exciting time to be watching this stuff. It reminds me a lot of Reagan defeating the Soviets; but it just feels bigger, somehow.