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To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/6/2005 12:59:52 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 35834
 
Are you reporting that as a factual article, or an example of
more BS slime & hyper exaggeration from a liberal blogger?

I notice your lefty blogger didn't link to any of
his alleged "quoted" comments.
billmon.org

That tells me he is lying, taking quotes out of context (or
flat out making them up), distorting &/or hyper exaggerating.
Typical liberal stuff these days.

I looked around & now I know this lunatic liberal is lying.

Want proof?

""These are nothing more than vicious, cowardly attacks on our heroic warriors for freedom in Iraq," said conservative blogger Michelle Malkin. "The American people need to be protected from such defeatist nonsense." Malkin called for a far-reaching congressional investigation into the loyalty of the "so-called mainstream media.""

Here is a link to Michelle Malkin's blog. All of her posts
since March 4th are still there. She said no such thing.


michellemalkin.com

""Regretfully, I must agree," added conservative blogger Glenn Reynolds, owner of the popular Instapundit site."

Here is a link to Instapundit. All of his posts since March
4th are still there. He said no such thing.


instapundit.com

I'll check on a few others. I bet you will still believe your
lying liberal over real facts.



To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/6/2005 2:21:33 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 35834
 
I have e-mailed some of the blogs "quoted" in that slime
piece of yours.

Glenn Reynolds denies what has been attributed to him. he
said, "Just billmon trolling for links", ET AL.

What a shame. I doubt you will openly denounce this horrific
tactic used by lunatics on the left. Instead, you will likely
still cling to every piece of liberal propaganda that you can
get your hands on (and share it with others) without first
checking its veracity.

And no Suma, well known blogs on the right don't pull this
type of crap like the lunatic liberal blogs.



To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/6/2005 4:45:46 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
The Case of the Big Trunk

Roger L Simon

Okay, that's not a great title (a little too Agatha Christie-ish or is it Nancy Drew?) but I had to think of one in a hurry to answer the challenge of Power Line's Big Trunk that I give my mystery writer's analysis of the strange doings in Rome today.

As most news junkies know, Italian journalist Guiliana Sgrena was wounded by American troops after release by her Islamist kidnappers in Iraq.

Now what facts do we have to examine in this case as of now?

Not many, although more may be forthcoming. On the face of it, it would seem unlikely that the Americans would target this woman. What possible use would there be in that? The anti-American propaganda value, especially in her native Italy, would be obvious. And we are seeing it now.

Moreover, were this unlikely scenario actually true, why would the Americans have done such a lousy job, allowing her to survive? None of this makes sense.

The only clue I see so far is this warning from her captors, reported by Sgrena herself in this article by the Associated Press:


<<<

Suddenly, she said, she remembered her captors' words, when they warned her "to be careful because the Americans don't want you to return
."
>>>

Really? Why? Just because she might say something favorable about the "insurgents"? This would hardly be amazing from a reporter for the communist Il Manifesto where scarcely a good word has been said about America since the fall of Mussolini. It would barely be news.

But how about this? Suppose it was the "insurgents" themselves, through a cut-out obviously, who alerted the Americans to Sgrena and her protectors, describing their car as something other than it was -- a suicide bomber, perhaps, or some other possible terrorist-related vehicle. Of course, their motivation would have been to make the Americans look bad, no matter what resulted. Sgrena and the others would just have been collateral damage. And that, indeed, is what has happened.

Of course, this is just a plot by a mystery writer. And not even a particularly good one.

rogerlsimon.com



To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/6/2005 5:21:23 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 35834
 
The Radical Left's Cause du Jour

Little Green Footballs

The cause du jour of the left is anti-American communist (that’s not a judgment call; she works for an anti-American, communist newspaper) Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena, who is now apparently going to claim that US troops fired on her speeding vehicle for no reason other than malicious bloodlust:


<<<

Hostage recalls ‘hail of gunfire’

Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena has described how she came under a “hail of gunfire” moments after being released from her Iraqi abductors in Baghdad.

“I was especially shocked because we thought that by then the danger was past,” she told Italy’s Rai radio. Ms Sgrena, who was wounded in the incident, has been sent to a military hospital in Rome for an operation. She denied US military accounts that the car was speeding past a checkpoint when it was fired upon.

US President George W Bush has pledged to fully investigate the shooting, in which a senior Italian security agent, Nicola Calipari, died.

Ms Sgrena was abducted on 4 February. It is unclear how she was released. Some Italian press reports say a ransom was paid.

Italy’s Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, one of President Bush’s staunchest allies, has demanded to know why US troops fired on the car carrying Ms Sgrena to safety.

“There was suddenly this shooting, we were hit by a hail of gunfire, and I was speaking with Nicola, who was telling me about what had been happening in Italy in the meantime, when he leaned towards me, probably also to protect me,” Ms Sgrena told Rai radio.

“And then he collapsed and I realised that he was dead.”

She said the shooting continued “because the driver wasn’t even managing to explain that we were Italian. So, it was a really terrible thing.”

Asked if the car was going too fast when the US troops opened fire, she said: “We weren’t going particularly fast given that type of situation.”
>>>

The details of this situation have been described in so many different ways that it’s very difficult to get a clear picture of what happened—and mainstream media has predictably ignored Sgrena’s radical anti-war background. But the story has had a lot of wrong notes and strange coincidences from the very beginning; Rusty Shackleford suggests the entire kidnapping may have been staged. I’d need more evidence before I could agree with that, but in the shooting incident I’m much more inclined to take the word of US troops than an Italian anti-war journalist.

The inmates of Democratic Underground are beside themselves with glee, of course, accusing our soldiers of murder with no evidence. (But don’t forget, they support the troops!)


littlegreenfootballs.com



To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/6/2005 5:25:58 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Kos Kidz Gloating Over Italian Hostage Incident

Little Green Footballs

The Kos Kidz are taking every word of Italian anti-war journalist Giuliana Sgrena as gospel truth:


<<<

Daily Kos : Iraq hostage - ‘The US wanted her dead’ (LIVE translations).
dailykos.com

Overall, I expect the reaction in Europe to be the following:

* happiness that she is back home and alive

* sadness for the brave Italian agent

* viz. the US, nothing much will change. We are not expecting better anymore from Americans nowadays, so why waste breath about it?
>>>

littlegreenfootballs.com



To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/6/2005 5:30:23 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 35834
 
AP Slams US Military

Little Green Footballs

You are not going to believe this Associated Press story, soon to be served up in the morning newspapers of America:


<<<

Freed Journalist Devoted to World’s Weak.

ROME - In a minute-long video, supporters of the captive Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena summed up her career of defending the world’s have-nots with wrenching photos of her subjects — like an image of two Palestinian children standing in bombing rubble and making the peace sign.

The video, distributed last month to build support for Sgrena’s release from captivity in Iraq, began with a voiceover in Arabic: “My name is Giuliana Sgrena. For my whole life, I have fought and written on behalf of the weakest. I know the suffering of the Iraqi people.”

Sgrena, a 56-year-old journalist for the communist daily Il Manifesto, was freed Friday after being held for a month by unknown captors. The release was marred by an incident in which coalition troops fired on the car carrying her to the airport.

The reporter was wounded in the shoulder, and an Italian secret service agent was killed trying to protect her. One or two other agents were wounded, and one was reportedly in serious condition.

story.news.yahoo.com
>>>

There is not a single word in this article on the US military’s side of the story.


littlegreenfootballs.com



To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/6/2005 5:35:19 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Italian Communist Says She Was "Ambushed"

Little Green Footballs

Italian communist Giuliana Sgrena is now explicitly claiming she was deliberately targeted by the US military:

<<<

Italy Rejects U.S. Version of Iraq Shooting.

ROME (Reuters) - Italian hostage Giuliana Sgrena, shot and wounded after being freed in Iraq, said Sunday U.S. forces may have deliberately targeted her because Washington opposed Italy’s policy of dealing with kidnappers.

She offered no evidence for her claim, but the sentiment reflected growing anger in Italy over the conduct of the war, which has claimed more than 20 Italian lives, including the secret agent who rescued her moments before being killed.

story.news.yahoo.com
>>>

She doesn’t have any explanation for the fact that she is still alive—because if the soldiers at that checkpoint had really been trying to kill her and her companions, there would be nothing left of her car. Or her.

CNN blandly identifies her newspaper as “left leaning,” when it is a hard-core Leninist journal:


<<<

Shot hostage disputes U.S. account. (Hat tip: Nancy.)

Il Manifesto, a left-leaning newspaper that has long opposed the Iraq war, even accused U.S. forces on Saturday of “assassinating” Nicola Calipari, who was killed protecting Sgrena from U.S. gunfire.

cnn.com
>>>

Sgrena’s “partner” is quoted saying that the soldiers were either evil monsters or “imbeciles:”


<<<

Sgrena’s partner, Pierre Scolari, blamed the shooting on the U.S. government, even suggesting the incident was intentional.

“I hope the Italian government does something because either this was an ambush, as I think, or we are dealing with imbeciles or terrorized kids who shoot at anyone,” he said, according to Reuters.
>>>

And CNN doesn’t think it’s important to tell you that Pierre Scolari is also a reporter for the same communist newspaper.

Mainstream media is beyond disgusting on this one. They are doing everything possible to indict our troops based on the words of dissembling anti-war Italian communists
.


littlegreenfootballs.com



To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/6/2005 5:44:14 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Al Guardian: 300 to 400 Rounds Fired

Little Green Footballs

Britain’s dilettante left Guardian newspaper contains a detail about the shooting of Italian communist Giuliana Sgrena that takes this story to the absolute height (or depth) of absurdity:

<<<

Outrage as US soldiers kill hostage rescue hero.

Sgrena told colleagues the vehicle was not travelling fast and had already passed several checkpoints on its way to the airport. The Americans shone a flashlight at the car and then fired between 300 and 400 bullets at if from an armoured vehicle. Rather than calling immediately for assistance for the wounded Italians, the soldiers’ first move was to confiscate their weapons and mobile phones and they were prevented from resuming contact with Rome for more than an hour.

observer.guardian.co.uk
>>>

Three hundred to four hundred rounds from an armored vehicle ... and there were survivors? OK, go ahead, pull my other leg.

Why is anyone taking these obviously false statements seriously?


littlegreenfootballs.com



To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/6/2005 5:50:04 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
U.S. TROOPS MISTAKENLY SHOOT GIULIANA SGRENA

By Michelle Malkin
March 04, 2005 04:09 PM

Italian hostage Giuliana Sgrena has been released, but according to Reuters, "U.S. forces mistakenly opened fire on the convoy taking her to safety, wounding her and killing an Italian secret service agent." The Jawa Report is all over the story.
mypetjawa.mu.nu

Update: Reader Greg points out that the Reuters story left out an important part of the story: turns out the car was speeding toward a checkpoint, and, as Greg notes, "we all know how the military loves that."
msnbc.msn.com

More from the Jawa Report:

<<<

Sgrena's vehicle was warned to stop but continued speeding toward a US checkpoint on a road which has been the scene of frequent terrorist attacks. US soldiers signaled for the car to stop, flashed lights at it, and then fired warning shots at the vehicle before opening fire on the car. The troops then shot the car's engine block, not the passengers. The car spun out of control. It was the car accident which killed one occupant and wounded Sgrena.
>>>

I expect we'll soon hear Eason Jordan say the U.S. military is targeting hostages.


michellemalkin.com



To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/6/2005 5:57:30 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 35834
 
CHANNELING EASON JORDAN

By Michelle Malkin
March 06, 2005 07:24 AM

Regarding the shooting of freed Italian hostage Giuliana Sgrena:

<<<

"Don't believe a word of the U.S. version," said Oliviero Diliberto, secretary of the Italian Communist Party. "There's an attempt to mask what actually happened. The Americans deliberately fired on the Italians."
>>>

The Guardian quotes several other Italians making Easonesque assertions:

<<<

Enzo Bianco, the opposition head of the parliamentary committee that oversees Italy's secret services, described the American account as unbelievable. 'They talk of a car travelling at high speed, and that is not possible because there was heavy rain in Baghdad and you can't travel at speed on that road,' Bianco said. 'They speak of an order to stop, but we're not sure that happened.'

Pier Scolari, Sgrena's partner who flew to Baghdad to collect her, put an even more sinister construction on the events, suggesting in a television interview that Sgrena was the victim of a deliberate ambush. 'Giuliana may have received information which led to the soldiers not wanting her to leave Iraq alive,' he claimed.

observer.guardian.co.uk
>>>

A military press release cited by CNN paints quite a different picture:

<<<

U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals, flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car," the statement said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into the engine block, which stopped the vehicle."


cnn.com
>>>

Who to believe?

Charles Johnson offers this assessment:

<<<

The details of this situation have been described in so many different ways that it’s very difficult to get a clear picture of what happened—and mainstream media has predictably ignored Sgrena’s radical anti-war background.... I’m much more inclined to take the word of US troops than an Italian anti-war journalist.
>>>

Ditto.

Associated Press says President Bush has promised a full investigation.

apnews.myway.com

Rusty Shackleford has much more here.
mypetjawa.mu.nu

michellemalkin.com



To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/7/2005 12:43:39 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Reality Check For Italian Conspiracy Theorists

Captain's Quarters

The death of an Italian commando and the wounding of Giuliana Sgrena has led to hysterical charges of assassination attempts and war crimes, all of which approach the ridiculous. Michelle Malkin has the best round-up of the media coverage today, including multiple reports that the Italians paid millions of dollars in ransom to free Sgrena -- money that will undoubtedly go towards murdering Iraqis and American soldiers, and certainly a reason to play a little misdirection with an accidental shooting.

The Washington Post provides a look at why Sgrena's car likely got shot in an otherwise rather hostile article by Jeffrey Smith and Ann Tyson:


<<<

The automobile was traversing onto a route -- the road to the airport -- where soldiers have been killed in shootings and by roadside bombs. U.S. soldiers had established an impromptu evening checkpoint at the entrance to the road about 90 minutes earlier and had stopped other vehicles. They knew a high-level embassy official would be moving to the airport on that road, and their aim was to support this movement.

But no specific coordination occurred between those involved in Sgrena's rescue and the military unit responsible for the checkpoint, according to the source, who said he cannot be named because the military's investigation into the incident is continuing.

Soldiers at the checkpoint have told U.S. military officers that they flashed lights, used hand signals and fired warning shots in an effort to stop the car, which they believed was traveling at more than 50 mph, a typical speed for that road. But Sgrena, who had just been released by Iraqi captors, recalled later that the car was not traveling very fast and that soldiers started firing "right after lighting" a spotlight -- a decision she said was not justified. Sgrena was wounded by shrapnel in the U.S. barrage.

The absence of advance communication between the Italians and the U.S. soldiers at the checkpoint appears to have put the occupants of the car in grave jeopardy, given what many U.S. officials describe as the military's standard practice of firing at onrushing cars from their checkpoints in Iraq.

"In my view, the main contributing factor was a lack of prior coordination with the ground unit," the source said. "If requested, we would have resourced and supported this mission very differently."
>>>

Besides, as a commenter to CQ, ERNurse, noted on an earlier post, the damage done to Sgrena hardly matches up with the kind of ordnance she claims they took from the fire. This describes the kind of damage one would expect to see from armored-vehicle fire:


<<<

I was a squad machine gunner many moons ago, and I was issued the trusty dusty M-60.

Let me tell you, that was a kick-*ss weapon. Standard ammo was the 7.62 ball round. No frills, but it was reliable, portable, and powerful.

I have seen what just one M-60 can do to a car with just a couple of ten-round bursts using ball rounds
. And the car in question was some old beat-up Chrysler from a local junkyard procured for the purpose by Uncle Sugar, and NOT one of the crappy old K-cars from the Iacocca era. My target was some serious tailfin-sporting by-gawd American steel.

I fired from 50 meters, and I tore that sucker up. I mean I just shredded it. And I used two belts- a couple of hundred rounds. Now, my assistant gunner with his pea-shooter M-16 also put some holes in the car, but they were teensy-weensy, maybe just big enough to stick a pencil through. But still pretty effective. And an M-16's high-velocity round tumbles once it hits something. So while my rounds punched big holes but went on through the other side of the car, the M-16 rounds just flew all around the inside of the car and tore up the interior. It was crazy.

I don't know the specs on the new weapon that our soldiers have, but I will say this: if those troopers had fired half of what that [woman] claims, and at close range at that, she would have wound up looking like bloody hamburger spread all over the rear compartment.

I have yet to see a picture of the actual car, but that really doesn't matter. If only one person in that car was killed, and the [woman] in question is still walking- let alone still equipped with two arms- then there is no way she could be telling the truth, because a squad's worth of firepower would have shredded the El Cheapo tin cans that pass for cars over there.
>>>

It appears, so far, that what happened is that the Italians came up to a checkpoint that they hadn't anticipated on a road that is the most dangerous in Iraq. Not sure of who the people were waving for them to stop -- remember, they were still a ways off -- they intended to drive straight through it to get to the checkpoint they knew. The Americans tried warning the car and when it failed to stop, shot out the engine with a few rounds from an M-16 or similar weapon. The rounds bounced through to the interior or missed their intended target and went straight into the cab.

Long-time readers of CQ will probably find some similarity between this incident and one described by a friend of mine, a Special Forces veteran of three decades who worked checkpoints in Iraq last year. In his letter to his group of friends, he describes an encounter at his checkpoint that thankfully resulted in no fatalities:


<<<

A Taxi from Baghdad approached our front gate. Unknown to the gate guards, he was carrying one of our translators. He was ordered to slow down. When he didn’t comply he was forcefully ordered to stop and get out of his vehicle. In panic he floored his accelerator pedal thinking it was the brake causing his vehicle to lurch forward toward the gate. Appropriately, the gate guards fired eight 5.56 caliber rounds into the taxi.

The vehicle veered off into a field and came to a stop. Miraculously, no one inside was seriously injured by the gunfire. After the vehicle and both Iraqis were searched it was determined that the driver made a near fatal mistake but it was not deliberate.

If the guards were blood thirsty, they could have continued to fire their weapons until they were sure that both Iraqis were dead. But they are professionals and they followed their current ROEs until the car was not a threat and then safely reassessed the situation
.
>>>

The Italians understandably grieve at the loss of their serviceman in the kind of accidents that occur when communication fails between units. It doesn't give them license to accuse Americans of having an assassination policy, one by the way that would never have allowed Sgrena to leave the shooting site alive, and it definitely should not overshadow the fact that the Italians have started caving in to ransom demands from terrorists. That only guarantees that more hostages will follow and that the terrorists continue to receive funds to commit mass murder on Iraqis.

Posted by Captain Ed

captainsquartersblog.com



To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/7/2005 12:48:53 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
In Sgrena's Own Words

Captain's Quarters

CNN has a translation of Giuliana Sgrena's account of the incident with American troops that left her wounded and her negotiator dead. Stripped of the dramatics with which she surrounds the narrative, this is Sgrena's recollection of the friendly-fire incident, as published in Il Manifesto:

<<<

The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would really be a tale I would not be able to tell. Nicola Calipari sat next to me. The driver twice called the embassy and in Italy that we were heading towards the airport that I knew was heavily patrolled by U.S. troops. They told me that we were less than a kilometer away...when...I only remember fire. At that point, a rain of fire and bullets hit us, shutting up forever the cheerful voices of a few minutes earlier.

The driver started yelling that we were Italians. "We are Italians, we are Italians." Nicola Calipari threw himself on me to protect me and immediately, I repeat, immediately I heard his last breath as he was dying on me. I must have felt physical pain.
>>>

So they drove through Baghdad fast enough to almost lose control of the car, never slowed down as they approached a checkpoint they knew to be ahead, and the "rain of gunfire and bullets" apparently only hit two of the three people in the car -- hardly likely if the intent was to assassinate everyone in the vehicle. In fact, it sounds very close to the American version of the incident, in which the Italians failed to coordinate their movements with the military command protecting the single most dangerous road in Iraq, one on which numerous car-bomb attacks have been launched, and failed to approach a military checkpoint in a battle zone with caution and common sense.

The fact that anyone survived should be considered somewhat fortunate under these circumstances. It also points out that American soldiers act with caution and discrimination, not hysterical free-fire as Sgrena and the Italian press alleges.

Now let's talk about that ransom the Italians paid for Sgrena's release ...


Posted by Captain Ed

captainsquartersblog.com



To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/7/2005 12:59:24 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Holy Warriors Warned Sgrena?

Little Green Footballs

Here’s another bizarre statement from communist reporter Giuliana Sgrena (hat tip: Sarah D.)—and notice that this AP story at Editor and Publisher correctly identifies her newspaper as “communist,” unlike most other reports.

She says her captors warned her that “the Americans” would try to kill her.


<<<

Giuliana Sgrena, who writes for the communist newspaper Il Manifesto, described how she was wounded and Italian intelligence officer Nicola Calipari was killed as she was celebrating her freedom on the way to the airport. The shooting Friday has fueled anti-American sentiment in a country where people are deeply opposed to U.S. policy in Iraq.

“I remember only fire,” she said in her article. “At that point a rain of fire and bullets came at us, forever silencing the happy voices from a few minutes earlier.”

Sgrena said the driver began shouting that they were Italian, then “Nicola Calipari dove on top of me to protect me and immediately, and I mean immediately, I felt his last breath as he died on me.”

Suddenly, she said, she remembered her captors’ warning her “to be careful because the Americans don’t want you to return
.”
>>>

Here’s the latest, almost completely rewritten version of the AP report from Yahoo:

Ex-Hostage Disputes U.S. on Iraq Shooting.

news.yahoo.com

The line about the ominous warning from Sgrena’s holy warrior kidnappers has moved to the very end of the piece.

How long before it drops off the bottom and vanishes altogether?


littlegreenfootballs.com



To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/7/2005 1:08:34 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Amazing! Americans deliberately attacked them without any
warning & "destroyed" their car in a "rain of fire", yet she
& the driver survived.

Sgrena Begins to Backpedal

Little Green Footballs

The BBC has yet another account from Giuliana Sgrena of the shooting incident at a coalition checkpoint:

<<<

Transcript: Giuliana Sgrena interview.

Tell us about the car journey you shared with him
.

We were on our way to the airport when the tanks started to strike against us and he tried to cover me and he was shot. He died and, me, I was safe but he was dead.

When did you become aware that your car was being fired at
?

We had no signal. We were just on the way to the airport. They started to shoot at us without any light or signal. There was no block, there was nothing. It was so immediate. I didn’t know how I was alive after all that attack.


Why do you think the Americans opened fire
?

We were not a hidden car. We were just a car on the road with lights and we were not running without any signal. So you have to ask the Americans because we don’t know what happened.

Did the Americans continue to fire when your car had come to a halt
?

Our car was destroyed.
And then the driver got out and was shouting “we’re Italian, we’re Italian”. So they came and they saw what happened. But I was badly injured so I can’t explain exactly what happened after because I was waiting for 20 minutes on the road for a military car to bring me to the hospital.

I don’t know if they knew what they were doing or not but it’s a big responsibility so they have to respond to what happened because it’s impossible to shoot a car on a road to the airport without giving any signal, any stop or any check.

Do you think it was deliberate
?

I can’t say it was deliberate because we can’t say if there was a lack of information. But also a lack of information in this case is [their] responsibility because you are in a war field and you have the responsibility to pass immediately any information.

The information was given to the Italians to tell the Americans that we were on the road. Now, I can’t say why they shot at us in this way but it’s a very big responsibility and we ask for a response on what happened.

So what did this security agent do when he heard the firing
?

When the driver said “they’re attacking us”, one of the [agents] tried to say we’re Italians but it was impossible to get out of the car because the car was under this rain of fire.

And the other one tried to protect me and he died. I was pushing down to avoid the bullets and after I don’t know how long, I found that he was dead.
>>>

littlegreenfootballs.com



To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/7/2005 1:13:10 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Italy Paid More than $10 Million

Little Green Footballs

The Australian’s Natasha Bita fills in another piece of the puzzle, as Giuliana Sgrena reminisces about the halcyon days of her captivity.

<<<

But the veteran reporter said her kidnappers had treated her well and had assured her they did not plan to kill her.

“The kidnappers seemed to me to be a very religious group, praying continually from the Koran,” she wrote. “One of the guards came up to me, surprised that the television was showing posters of me in cities across Europe and that (Francesco) Totti, his favorite soccer player, had gone on to the field with ‘Free Giuliana’ written on his shirt.”

Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera reported yesterday that the Italian Government had paid a ransom of between E6-8million ($10-13.4million) to buy Sgrena’s freedom. It also claimed the car’s injured driver told Italian investigators the Americans “knew everything about our mission”
.
>>>

Ten to $13.4 million. If true, that buys an awful lot of IEDs.

littlegreenfootballs.com



To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/7/2005 1:16:48 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
"Little Green Footballs is at it again."

Sgrena's Truth

Little Green Footballs

We’re not done with Giuliana Sgrena yet, because CNN has now published a translation of her latest article for the Stalinist newspaper Il Manifesto, in which she claims that shortly before the shooting incident her car was going so fast through “puddles” that they were “almost losing control”—in an area they knew was “heavily patrolled by US troops.”

She titled her article, in true communist style: ‘My truth.’

<<<

‘My truth.’

The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would really be a tale I would not be able to tell. Nicola Calipari sat next to me. The driver twice called the embassy and in Italy that we were heading towards the airport that I knew was heavily patrolled by U.S. troops. They told me that we were less than a kilometer away...when...I only remember fire. At that point, a rain of fire and bullets hit us, shutting up forever the cheerful voices of a few minutes earlier.

cnn.com
>>>

littlegreenfootballs.com



To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/7/2005 1:19:54 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Italians Withheld Information from US

Little Green Footballs

As more information comes out, we’re starting to see the true picture of what happened to Giuliana Sgrena; the Washington Times reports that Italian agents kept US forces in the dark about their plans to give a giant pay-off to the holy warriors.

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ROME — Italian agents likely withheld information from U.S. counterparts about a cash-for-freedom deal with gunmen holding an Italian hostage for fear that Americans might block the trade, Italian news reports said yesterday.

The decision by operatives of Italy’s SISMI military intelligence service to keep the CIA in the dark about the deal for the release of reporter Giuliana Sgrena, might have “short-circuited” communications with U.S. forces controlling the road from Baghdad to the city’s airport, the newspaper La Stampa said.

That would help explain why American troops opened fire on a car whisking the released hostage to a waiting airplane, wounding Miss Sgrena and killing the Italian intelligence operative who had just negotiated her release
.
>>>

littlegreenfootballs.com



To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/7/2005 1:28:13 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Sgrena: To Americans, "Human Life is Worth Little"

"Little Green Footballs is at it again."

Italian reporter Giuliana Sgrena behaves like a good little disinformation-spreading communist, and says that Americans are against happy endings and don’t care about human life.

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“I think that the happy end to the negotiations may have bothered them. The Americans are against this type of operation,” she told Corriere della Sera newspaper Monday. “For them, war is war. Human life is worth little.”

reuters.myway.com
>>>

How many people will die because of the Italians’ multi-million dollar pay-off to the thugs and criminals who blow up car bombs at medical clinics? And this evil woman has the gall to accuse Americans of not caring about human life.


littlegreenfootballs.com



To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/7/2005 1:43:07 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
THE ITALIAN HOSTAGE JOB

By Michelle Malkin
March 07, 2005 06:24 AM

The biggest story of the weekend, which continues to spill all over today's headlines, is the Giuliana Sgrena debacle in Iraq. LGF , OTB, and the Jawa Report, among many others, have done great jobs covering the twists and turns.

So, how much was the ransom allegedly paid by the Italian government to Sgrena's still-unidentified terrorist kidnappers
? The Australian publication The Age reports:

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Iraqi politician Younadem Kana told Belgian state TV Saturday evening that he had "non-official" information that a $US1 million ($A1.27 million) ransom was paid for Sgrena's release, the Apcom news agency reported from Brussels. The report could not be confirmed.
>>>

Another estimate pegs the price of Sgrena's freedom at between $10 and $13.4 million. The Washington Times, citing the Italian newspaper La Stampa, puts the ransom figure at a reported $6 million.

The National Ledger comments:

<<<

Six million dollars?

That will purchase a lot of explosives for the Islamofascists and it shows the clear reason not to bargain with terrorists
. When kidnapping becomes a profitable economic venture, the law of supply and demand kicks in--even for the terrorists. If they have indeed been paid six million dollars, they are going to want more and they understand the way to get it[:] Kidnap another six-million dollar journalist.
>>>

Yup.

Meanwhile, the Times and La Stampa reported:

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Italian agents likely withheld information from U.S. counterparts about a cash-for-freedom deal with gunmen holding an Italian hostage for fear that Americans might block the trade, Italian news reports said yesterday.
The decision by operatives of Italy's SISMI military intelligence service to keep the CIA in the dark about the deal for the release of reporter Giuliana Sgrena, might have "short-circuited" communications with U.S. forces controlling the road from Baghdad to the city's airport, the newspaper La Stampa said
.

That would help explain why American troops opened fire on a car whisking the released hostage to a waiting airplane, wounding Miss Sgrena and killing the Italian intelligence operative who had just negotiated her release.

>>>

The Washington Post has differing details:

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The military has responded that in a time of widespread suicide bombings, precautions that troops take to protect themselves are fully justified. But the circumstances of Friday's shooting of Italian military intelligence officer Nicola Calipari made it particularly vulnerable to calamity, a military source said as he divulged new details of how the car in which Calipari and a newly freed hostage, Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena, came to be attacked.

The automobile was traversing onto a route -- the road to the airport -- where soldiers have been killed in shootings and by roadside bombs. U.S. soldiers had established an impromptu evening checkpoint at the entrance to the road about 90 minutes earlier and had stopped other vehicles. They knew a high-level embassy official would be moving to the airport on that road, and their aim was to support this movement.

But no specific coordination occurred between those involved in Sgrena's rescue and the military unit responsible for the checkpoint, according to the source, who said he cannot be named because the military's investigation into the incident is continuing.

>>>

Some conspiracy-mongers, including Sgrena's husband, are sticking to their blame-American-troops script. Sgrena's own latest version is here.
cnn.com

Sgrena's sympathizers include the World Socialist Web Site and the pro-Saddam propagandists at uruknet.info.

As these antiwar armchair generals second-guess the troops, it's worth keeping the Sgrena incident in its proper context. From an AP article published last fall on car bombs--"the insurgents' weapon of choice:"

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"You consider every car a potential bomb," says Staff Sgt. Darrell Theurer, a veteran of some 400 missions. "We've had everything from a piece of junk to a Mercedes to that donkey cart - with the donkey still attached."

Countrywide, and especially in Baghdad, the U.S. military says the VBIED - for "vehicle-borne improvised explosive device" - has become the insurgents' weapon of choice, mostly wielded against Iraqi security personnel and American troops but often soaking the blast area with the blood of bystanders...

...Some checkpoints have X-ray machines to scan vehicles and a video-equipped robot can be called up to peer into a suspicious car. But out on the road, the best defense against VBIEDs is largely experience, eyesight and instinct, he said.

The patrols are on the lookout for certain aging car models, vehicles with low riding back ends, cars that try to get close to vehicles as they pass a military convoy or just a driver's darting, shifty look.

"Often it's one soldier's decision - a 19-year-old sitting behind a .50-caliber machine gun in a Humvee in 110-degree weather making a decision in five seconds," said [Capt. Ronald] Talarico.

In one incident, he recalled, a remotely detonated car bomb went off at a traffic circle near Baqouba two months ago. As U.S. troops moved in to cordon the area, a young soldier spotted a nervous-looking driver trying to get a stalled, decrepit car moving. Within moments the soldier fired, turning the car and suicide bomber into a cauldron of flames and flying metal.
>>>

More recently, numerous car bomb attacks along the airport route traveled by Sgrena's vehicle have resulted in injuries to American and allied troops. See here
and here.

Here's one soldier's blunt account of patrolling the same area, written in December:

<<<

This is a combat zone, there are people who want to kill us and there have been many attempts to do it. The reporters don’t include all of the other details that lead up to the shooting. When “Ali Iraqi " ignores everything and keeps on coming, he leaves a soldier no choice. Regardless of what you read, there is no indiscriminate shooting. US soldiers are real professionals. They follow the rules. These locals ignore our directives.

RT Irish is the name of the road we travel everyday when we go out. It is the main road between the International Zone (IZ) and Baghdad International Airport (BIAP). It is IED /VBIED Alley. It is considered the most dangerous section of highway in Iraq.


The US State Department just announced that no US Dept Of State personnel are allowed to use RT Irish. Of course we still have the privilege of using it everyday. I guess we aren’t as valuable as a DOS employee.
>>>

Finally, here's a sobering firsthand account of another soldier's experience in the aftermath of multiple VBIED attacks.
sandypost.com

This is war, not a game of "Mother May I?"


***
Related: Jim Hoft has a useful summary of Sgrena's work for her communist publication, Il Manifesto.
gatewaypundit.blogspot.com

Update: The brilliant Cox and Forkum sums things up in today's cartoon.
coxandforkum.com

And a hat tip to C&F for pointing us to an excellent review of events at Small Wars Journal.
smallwarsjournal.com

John Hawkins weighs in: Sgrena and Occam's Razor.
rightwingnews.com

michellemalkin.com



To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/7/2005 2:11:39 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
The Sgrena Manifesto

Roger L Simon

Glenn Renoylds says the recent revelation that Italian intelligence did not notify the Americans that they ransomed Il Manifesto journalist Giuliana Sgrena, inadvertently causing death and injury, is an example of Italian "ineptitude". Glenn, as usual, is being a gentleman.

The reported ransom number was a healthy six million dollars. That buys a considerable arsenal of weapons with which to blow up Iraqis and American soldiers. A lot of potential blood flows from this deal -- innocent blood. And the Italians knew it. No wonder they were keeping mum about it. I'd call it cowardice, not ineptitude.

Now don't get me wrong, much as I think Sgrena a complete fuddy-duddy reactionary (how else to describe the outdated blather printed by Il Manifesto?), I'd probably have been begging for my life, as she did, too. But one thing is sure... Giuliana Sgrena is no La Pasionaria. She's a petty little weasel of a journalist who cried like a frightened infant when in the arms of terrorist thugs (we all saw it, Giuliana!) and now pretends she's someone brave and important. How pathetic!

MEANWHILE: Berlusconi covers his you-know-what at a state funeral. (Don't you wonder what he's really thinking?)
bloomberg.com

But on the bright and far more important side, democracy demonstrations continue in Beirut... to the tune of 150,000+ people! That's a huge number, considering the population of Lebanon.

UPDATE: Corriere della Sera talks sense.
corriere.it

rogerlsimon.com



To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/7/2005 2:16:43 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Questions About A Plot

Il Manifesto, the U.S., and the death of Calipari

ERNESTO GALLI DELLA LOGGIA

In an Italy under shock at the death of Nicola Calipari, emotions are prompting people to say and write many things that perhaps in a few days may look overstated, if not embarrassing. Of course, the writer is the first to understand, and up to a point even share, what lies behind those emotions. Take the anguish of Giuliana Sgrena, abducted by the very people she thought she was defending. For one month, she was a hostage to fear and the unknown, then only one step away from death, saved at the last by the sacrifice of one of the men who freed her. We are well aware that the anguish was not merely hers. It was shared by her many close companions.

But when understandable emotion produces unequivocal, crudely polemical statements such as those we are currently reading in Il Manifesto newspaper, and which are echoed less assertively elsewhere, then it is permissible to put one or two - we think - not unreasonable questions.

We’ll begin with the crucial one, which is this: is it true, as the self-styled “Communist Daily” headline puts it, that the death of Nicola Calipari was a “preemptive” and therefore premeditated, homicide? Is it true, as Rossana Rossanda writes, that the Americans were shooting “to kill,” and that Calipari’s death was “an assassination?”

Can we really subscribe to the picture painted by Ms Rossanda of arrogant Yankee roughnecks, beardless and/or whisky-soused, complying with the “American maxim, ‘shoot first, ask questions later?,’ and obeying without objection the order ‘when those Italians arrive, eliminate them’?”

Must we really trust Giuliana Sgrena’s feelings when she tells us that her abductors were very probably right when they told her, “the Americans don’t want you to go back,” adding her own comment that they - the Americans again - “don’t want our work to show what Iraq has become with the war, despite the so-called elections.” (As if the U.S. media publishes whatever the Pentagon says or, if that’s how things stand, as if all American journalists were also in mortal danger; as for the Iraqi elections that shouldn’t be called elections, what does Ms Sgrena think they should be called?).

To continue, what might be the “information” in Ms Sgrena’s possession that, according to her life partner Pier Scolari, could justify an assassination by the Americans determined not to see it published?

Finally, are we really to believe that the Italians’ car was hit by “400 bullets, a storm of projectiles” (Mr Scolari)?

Are we really to believe Giuliana Sgrena when she says that she personally picked “handfuls of bullets” off the seat, but that, in this premeditated rain of fire from an armored vehicle against an automobile with no armor plating, only one passenger actually died?

To us, at least, these look like reasonable questions
. It seems to us equally reasonable to wonder in conclusion that if Washington had been determined that the Italian journalist should die, why - for her and our good fortune - did she survive? What caused the plot to abort? And why were two Italians actually left alive to bear witness to the attack?

Let it be clear that it is quite possible that each of these questions has a satisfactory answer. But if that is the case, we hope that today, when heads are cooler, politicians and commentators from all parties will devote their attention to finding those answers. Because if we want to engage in a trial of strength with the U.S., we certainly can, but in the knowledge that it will not be won for us by emotions and strong words.


English translation by Giles Watson www.watson.it

corriere.it



To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/7/2005 2:35:28 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Moonbat Alert: Giuliana Sgrena Edition

Wizbang
By Paul on The Looney Left

Well, it's Monday morning and the Democratic Underground (DU) Moonbats are barking again with fun threads like:

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Botched Sgrena Hit Does Not Bode Well for Bush and Berlusconi
With links here: Berlusconi Victim of Failed Sgrena Assassination
>>>

and...

<<<

Neocon talking point (question) on Sgrena...how did she get to airport after the ambush?
>>>

Notice it was automatically an ambush? The barking continued...


<<<

if the operational cover was 'it was a tragic accident' then of course we would provide transportation to any survives... the problem with the plan is that she did.

be hard to explain murdering them at such close range now wouldn't it?

of course that is just 1 possibility.

Well, with several surviving Italian diplomats on the scene,.. ... I guess the jig was sort of up.
>>>

Notice the "first instinct" of this DU'er


<<<

my first instinct, and second and third was they were trying to kill them. i find it hard to believe that italians arent aware of the touchy trigger fingers at these posts. all know about this issue with military and fear of suicide bombing. i find it hard to believe the italians would go thru any posts

but then on fourth thought, i couldnt see them allowing her medical care if they purposely tried to kill her.

i dont know that much about story. i havent read about several italian diplomats on scene. i know there were like three others besides the reporter. two wounded and one dead. i would think they owuld just finish off those two also. if a crowd had gathered, that would be another reason they wouldnt be able to kill them off. if there were serveral italian diplomats, beyond who was in the car, i could certainly understand. but then i would want to know where they came from.

i just need more of the story. and i havent seen more of the story in any of the articles i have read that answers my questions. so until answered i cant say for sure. not convincing me yet
>>>

It is just assumed we tried to murder her. But whatever you do.. DON'T QUESTION THEIR PATRIOTISM


<<<

Don't know about diplomats, but I've read there were Italian troops at the airport.

It's also possible that the low-level grunts on the patrol weren't in on the grand plan, so it wouldn't exactly do to tell them to go to Plan B and shoot identified westerners at point blank range
>>>

Charming.

Then they get loony even for DU


<<<

In fact, now that I think of it... Here's the plan. A sniper, in on the plot, fires the shot meant for Sgrena, that Nicola takes for her. The patrol, not in on the plot, is just set up to start shooting and create the cover. When the sniper fails, the patrol is already quite aware that the car is friendly, and there is no further opportunity for snipering
>>>

Snipering?

Now certainly SOMONE in DU will spank them for being idiots right? I give you the very next reply:


<<<

a story i hadnt thought of... but could make sense. i just like to see reason if possible. now not saying it is true, but at least it is buyable and would fit
>>>

So the lunacy is contagious.

But then another poster figures it all out:


<<<

They were talking on their cell phones... maybe that's what kept them from finishing them off. Also maybe soldiers from the nearest checkpoint came inquiring when they heard the shooting (Sgrena said they weren't shot at a checkpoint but rather were ambushed). In bith cases the only thing they could have done was to say "oops - call an ambulance".
>>>

YIKES! Then they identify "insane" people... and it ain't them:


<<<

I guess they are basically saying "if 'we' wanted her dead, why didn't someone just fire one more shot and finish the job"

(Most of these insane goobers are calling her a "communist bitch/traitor", etc.)

Again, surely the devil is in the details. I imagine that by the end of the fusillade there would have been witnesses, it's just that there don't seem to be many 'facts' forthcoming...and the military doesn't know where the car is...
>>>

DUH! She calls herself a communist! You insane goober!


<<<

Not knowing where the car is is as believable as the lump on... Bush's back in the debate being caused by a poorly tailored shirt. Nonetheless, a lot of dumbf***s are going to believe it. "Chaotic conditions in Iraq" yaddy yaddy. My head hurts too, life in this country get more bizarre every day.
>>>

AHHHH Another "answer" from DU:


<<<

The answer is: They don't know what she relayed via phone to SB's office.

Remember they were communicating with Sylvio Berlusconi's office via cell phone transmission when the attack occurred. The U.S. military ordered the cell phone transmission to be cut.

The U.S. had no way of knowing what sort of information had already been relayed; thus, it was to their benefit to render aid and comfort ASAP.

Well, we would have killed her... if Nicola Calipari, the secret agent hadn't thrown himself on top of her. Obviously that fucked up Plan A, so the special ops had to move to Plan B, which I suspect was to let the troops (who were unaware of the arrangement) believe it was an accident and carry on as such.
>>>

Not a single DU'er on the thread defended the US soldiers in any way. It was assumed to be a murder.

But whatever you do.. DON'T QUESTION THEIR PATRIOTISM

(More later if I have the time and the stomach for the lunacy.)

Update: heh Sgrena's ambush was a colossal mistake, only because she survived it. Funny thread... as long as none of those people live in my neighborhood.

democraticunderground.com

wizbangblog.com



To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/7/2005 7:14:38 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Sgrena...Too Convenient....

By BummerDietz

Injury and death of civilians in wartime is regrettable. Some are using the foggy circumstances surrounding the death of Giuliana Sgrena’s guard to further Eason-esque charges that the US Military “targeted” the Italians for killing.

If we are going to assume nefarious facts about intent, let me mix it up with a plausible version of the story:

Giuliana Sgrena is a communist dedicated to the overthrow of the capitalist system. She works for a communist newspaper. She traveled to Iraq and worked on reports urging that Italy withdraw its military forces from Iraq.

Ms. Sgrena was thereafter reported to have been "captured" by fascist Islamic forces engaged in a jihad against the capitalist, non-Muslim West. Threats and were issued that if Italy did not withdraw its forces from Iraq, Sgrena would be killed.

However, unlike prior instances of islamo fascist kidnapping, Ms. Sgrena was not killed. She starred in what were claimed to be “insurgent videos” wherein she made pleas for her life, exhorting the Italians to withdraw their forces from Iraq.

Later, the Italian government facilitated a ransom payment of over $10 million to the islamo fascists who had purportedly “kidnapped” Ms. Sgrena. Presumably, the $10 million will be used by the islamo fascists to continue their jihad against the Christian West.

Ms. Sgrena, whose Communist party seeks the overthrow of the capitalist system and whose work in Iraq was to oppose the Western military forces, was never killed by the persons who she claimed “kidnapped” her. Ms. Sgrena maintains the claim that she was, in fact, kidnapped against her will.

Query whether Ms. Sgrena was really kidnapped against her will. It seems more plausible that the entire affair was faked. The objective of the fake kidnapping was to create publicity to be used against the Italian government to force it to withdraw troops.

Ms. Sgrena was never killed, a she became the conduit for a payment of $10 million to political forces aligned with her own beliefs. How "convenient."

***

When the currency of the chattering classes is to assume that bad intentions are true, the damning and defamatory version, above, becomes quite plausible.

scyllacharybdis.blogspot.com



To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/7/2005 7:22:12 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
US: Freed Hostage Story "Absurd"

Blogs for Bush

The communist Italian "journalist" Giuliana Sgrena has been busy over the past few days casting and recasting her story to make it look worse and worse for the United States - its good to keep in mind that as a communist reporter, Ms. Sgrena has a built-in anti-American bias, and now the White House has finally stepped into the fray:

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WASHINGTON — The White House on Monday said it was "absurd" for a former hostage in Iraq to charge that U.S. military forces may have deliberately targeted her car as she was being rushed to freedom.

White House press secretary Scott McClellan said the car carrying Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena was traveling on one of the most dangerous roads in Iraq, to the Baghdad airport, when it was fired upon...

...McClellan said. "It's absurd to make any such suggestion, that our men and women in uniform would deliberately target innocent civilians.
>>>

The Europeans and their lapdogs in the American left and MSM are eating this story up; to them, it is just confirmation of a truth they believe in spite of all evidence - that US troops are cruel and ruthless clods in the service of Evil Bush. We know better, and its good that the Administration is taking a firm stand on this.


Posted by Mark Noonan

blogsforbush.com



To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/7/2005 7:31:33 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Cooler Italian Heads May Yet Prevail

Captain's Quarters

After the outpouring of understandable grief at the loss of Italian intelligence agent Nicola Calipari, some members of the Italian press want to cool the rhetoric spawned by the far-left Communist mouthpiece Il Manifesto, in which Giuliana Sgrena has accused the US of attempting to assassinate her after the Italians ransomed her from her Iraqi captors. The publication Italian Life (Corriere Della Sera IT) calls for a bit of common sense from Italians when dealing with Sgrena's outburst:

<<<

Is it true, as the self-styled “Communist Daily” headline puts it, that the death of Nicola Calipari was a “preemptive” and therefore premeditated, homicide? Is it true, as Rossana Rossanda writes, that the Americans were shooting “to kill,” and that Calipari’s death was “an assassination?” Can we really subscribe to the picture painted by Ms Rossanda of arrogant Yankee roughnecks, beardless and/or whisky-soused, complying with the “American maxim, ‘shoot first, ask questions later?,’ and obeying without objection the order ‘when those Italians arrive, eliminate them’?” ...

What might be the “information” in Ms Sgrena’s possession that, according to her life partner Pier Scolari, could justify an assassination by the Americans determined not to see it published? Finally, are we really to believe that the Italians’ car was hit by “400 bullets, a storm of projectiles” (Mr Scolari)? Are we really to believe Giuliana Sgrena when she says that she personally picked “handfuls of bullets” off the seat, but that, in this premeditated rain of fire from an armored vehicle against an automobile with no armor plating, only one passenger actually died?

To us, at least, these look like reasonable questions. It seems to us equally reasonable to wonder in conclusion that if Washington had been determined that the Italian journalist should die, why - for her and our good fortune - did she survive? What caused the plot to abort? And why were two Italians actually left alive to bear witness to the attack?
>>>

To further translate -- Sgrena makes no sense whatsoever. The same people who supposedly obeyed orders to assassinate her left her alive to talk after the attack. The car in which she rode had two out of three people left alive, which makes the "rain of bullets" sound more than just an exaggeration or poetic license. Sgrena provides no motive for her supposed assassination, nor explains why the Americans didn't simply finish the job.

A thorough investigation has been ordered and we should know more of the answers in a few days. What we do know doesn't jibe at all with Sgrena's account, and even the Italians have begun to notice it. With any luck, the American media might even begin to report it.
(via CQ reader Rachel F; page is slow to load)

Addendum: To provide some context for the Italians and the American media, the AP reports that 31 people died today in terrorist attacks. How did the terrorists kill so many?

<<<

The Baqouba assaults included a car bomb, three roadside bombs and small arms attacks three checkpoints, one of them just south of Baqouba in Muradiyah, said police Col. Mudhafar al-Jubbori.

U.S. Maj. Ed House said a suicide car bombing outside a police station there killed nine people and wounded 17. The dead included the bomber, two police, three soldiers and three civilians.

In another attack near the city, a group of about 20 insurgents in five vehicles attacked an army checkpoint with assault rifles and rocket-propelled grenades, killing five Iraqi soldiers. The troops fought back, killing one of the attackers. Nine people were wounded, House said. ...

Another car bomb exploded outside the home of Iraqi army Lt. Col. Mohammed Abdul Mutaled in Balad, 50 miles north of Baghdad, killing 12 people and injuring 21 others, said the city's police chief, Ayad Ahmed. Hospital officials said most of the casualties were bystanders. Iraqi security forces are frequently targeted by insurgents. ...

Two civilians were killed when a roadside bomb targeting a joint U.S.-Iraqi military convoy exploded in the west Baghdad neighborhood of Amiriyah. The blast missed the convoy, damaging two passing cars and wounding four people, including two girls, said 1st Lt. Ali Hussein Hamdani. Another roadside bomb exploded in a southeastern Baghdad suburb, wounding several people on a bus.

Meanwhile, saboteurs blasted a pipeline near Samarra, 60 miles northwest of the capital, that carries oil to a Baghdad refinery, said police Maj. Mohsin Mahmoud.

A Polish soldier was wounded in the hand Monday when a bomb blew up next to his convoy north of Hillah in central Iraqi, said Lt. Col. Zbigniew Staszkow, spokesman for the Polish military.
>>>

That's the context in which Americans serve in Iraq, especially on the road that Sgrena and Calipari used to get to the airport. Thanks to the Italian ransom delivery, we can expect to have many more days such as these, with plenty of Iraqi casualties and continued American vigilance to unresponsive drivers approaching military checkpoints.

Posted by Captain Ed

captainsquartersblog.com



To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/7/2005 7:43:50 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Schechter Defends Sgrena, Accuses US of War Crimes

Little Green Footballs

Danny Schechter, a vituperative far-left wacko last noted at LGF when he blatantly lied during the Rathergate affair, shows his solidarity with the communist anti-war Italian left:

<<<

Was Giuliana Sgrena Targeted?
>>>

He attacks LGF for the following statement, which he says is an attempt to “discredit” Sgrena:

<<<

The right-leaning site, Little Green Footballs, predictably tries to discredit Giuliana and anyone who believes her:

“The details of this situation have been described in so many different ways that it’s very difficult to get a clear picture of what happened — and mainstream media has predictably ignored Sgrena’s radical anti-war background... The inmates of Democratic Underground are beside themselves with glee, of course, accusing our soldiers of murder with no evidence. (But don’t forget, they support the troops!)”
>>>

Note that my statement quoted by Schechter specifically cautioned that we didn’t have a clear picture of what happened. Ooh, those awful right-leaners, not taking courageous journalists at their word!

But it isn’t discrediting Sgrena to mention her radical anti-war background; it’s a simple statement of fact, obvious to anyone who reads her work. She’s employed by a newspaper called Il Manifesto. It’s openly communist, and has published many many articles expressing sympathy and admiration for the Iraqi mujahideen, and loathing for the US.

And if you follow the link to Democratic Underground that I posted at LGF (but Schechter doesn’t include), you will see for yourself that many of the inmates are indeed accusing US troops of murder. Those pesky “fact” things again.

But maybe Schechter doesn’t consider any of this “radical.”


littlegreenfootballs.com



To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/7/2005 7:49:57 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
CNN: LOST IN TRANSLATION?

By Michelle Malkin
March 07, 2005 02:01 PM

CNN reports:

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In an article published Sunday in her communist newspaper, Il Manifesto, Giuliana Sgrena wrote, "Our car was driving slowly," and "the Americans fired without motive."
>>>

[Update 2:17pm...Quote has been removed, but you can still see it here.]
websearch.cnn.com

Ok, now click on the link to CNN's translation of Sgrena's article. Notice anything strange? According to CNN's translation, nowhere does Sgrena say what CNN says she said. In fact, she seems to say the opposite:


<<<

The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would really be a tale I would not be able to tell.
>>>

Reader Bob K. notes, "Almost losing control avoiding puddles? Doesn't sound very slow to me."

An editorial staffer at CNN.com in Atlanta said, "I don't have an answer for you but I will message the London Bureau," which wrote the article. We'll be watching for an explanation.

Update: WE GET RESULTS! As I noted above, CNN has now changed its story and removed the initial quote. But as reader Bob K points out, it did so without making any mention of the change or providing an explanation as to how it appeared there in the first place.

The MSM. Pffffft!


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The Italian Hostage Job
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Channeling Eason Jordan
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U.S. troops mistakenly shoot Giuliana Sgrena
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The strange abduction of Giuliana Sgrena
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To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/8/2005 9:27:05 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Laughing on a Highway of Dread

"Little Green Footballs is at it again."

Here’s a must-read piece by Alissa J. Rubin at the LA Times about Baghdad’s airport road, the seven-mile stretch of highway where the car carrying Giuliana Sgrena was fired upon by US troops, killing Italian military intelligence officer Nicola Calipari: Traveling on a Highway of Dread. (Hat tip: globalcop.)

Alissa Rubin traveled this same route only a few hours before Sgrena, and her account makes one thing exceedingly clear: this is a rough seven miles, and anyone driving this road had to know it.

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Traveling on a Highway of Dread.

“See, that’s where there was an IED,” my driver Ahmad said, using the military’s shorthand for improvised explosive device. “You can see the pit,” he said gesturing to a crater.

He pointed to the charred shell of a car sitting a few feet off the shoulder. “See that, that’s a bomb car,” he said.

“Last summer I was here, driving from the airport, and suddenly, ‘Boom!’ A Humvee ahead of us was hit. I said, ‘It’s OK, it’s OK’ and then everyone began shooting — the Americans, the Iraqis over there,” he said, gesturing to the nearby neighborhood.

On this route, it’s hard to know whether a car that speeds by a military convoy simply has a nervous driver, or carries a suicide bomber. Last fall, a bomber on the road targeted an armored bus carrying U.S. personnel. No one was killed, but the bus was damaged. Often passing civilians are injured or die in the attacks.

One of the mosques near the beginning of the route, Ibn Taymiyah, is well known as an insurgent center. When U.S. soldiers searched it, they found grenades, ammunition and guns. Farther on is a neighborhood named Jihad and another named Furat, where former intelligence officers under Saddam Hussein live.

“Very tough place,” declared Ahmad.

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But Giuliana Sgrena told TIME Magazine: “We all incredibly laughed. It was liberating.”

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The Americans have tried to make it difficult for insurgents to operate along the road. They have chopped down palm trees and taken down fences that the rebels hid behind. They have put up observation cameras. They have handed out leaflets and warned people who live in the area not to collaborate with insurgents. But the insurgents keep finding new ways to attack.

On Friday, a military convoy sped by. We stopped, letting it go far ahead. Next we sighted two SUVs that looked like they might be carrying security contractors. Again we slowed, for fear that insurgents might target them.

Suddenly Ahmad sped up, barreling down the rough highway at nearly 80 mph. My worries about insurgents and skittish U.S. soldiers quickly turned to fears of an accident as he honked to get cars to move out of the way.

He believed we were being followed. A burgundy car with three men in it was visible in our rearview mirror, speeding close behind us. We couldn’t tell if they were armed.

Finally, we lost them and slowed down. As we drew up to our hotel, we saw the car again — it had been the chase car of another news organization. The misplaced suspicion would have been funny, if the situation had not been so dangerous.

The Italians were on the road at a far worse time. Although there are few attacks at night, there is also little visibility, and the U.S. military suspects every vehicle.

Like us, Sgrena must have been frightened of being on the road. But having just escaped from insurgents, she probably never would have thought she would be mistaken for one of them.

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To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/8/2005 9:40:55 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
CNN DOES IT AGAIN

By Michelle Malkin
March 08, 2005 06:49 AM

Yesterday, CNN published an article stating:

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In an article published Sunday in her communist newspaper, Il Manifesto, Giuliana Sgrena wrote, "Our car was driving slowly," and "the Americans fired without motive."
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About 15 minutes after I pointed out that Sgrena's Il Manifesto article said no such thing, CNN quietly removed the fabricated quote and replaced it with this:


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In an article published Sunday in her communist newspaper, Il Manifesto, Sgrena also described a "rain of fire and bullets" in the incident.
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CNN neither mentioned the change nor provided an explanation as to how the erroneous quote appeared in the article in the first place.

I thought that was the end of it, but this morning I learned that the fabricated quote is back! Bob K., the reader who brought this matter to my attention yesterday, points to this article, published yesterday at 3:32 pm EST. The article reads in part:


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CNN's Rome Bureau Chief Alessio Vinci said that in various interviews Sgrena disputed the U.S. account that the car was driving fast and warning shots were fired.

She wrote in her paper that "our car was driving slowly" and that "the Americans fired without motive."
>>>

Oops!

We know the quotes didn't come from Sgrena's Il Manifesto article, despite CNN's repeated assertions.

So where do the quotes come from? According to this article, Sgrena's driver that said he was driving slowly:


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According to Italy's leading daily Corriere della Sera, the driver, an unidentified Italian agent, said: "We were driving slowly, about 40-50 km/h (25-30 mph)."
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Maybe CNN has simply gotten Sgrena confused with her driver. If so, it's not a hanging offense, but I don't think it's too much to expect CNN to note its error and stop repeating it.


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To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/8/2005 9:57:23 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Italy didn't plan safe escape for hostage

By Rowan Scarborough
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Italian security forces failed to make arrangements for safe passage out of Iraq for a freed Italian reporter, whose car was fired on by U.S. troops, killing intelligence agent Nicola Calipari who brokered the reporter's release, according to an internal Pentagon memo.

The memo says checkpoint soldiers are trained to deal with erratic speeding vehicles whose drivers ignored warnings -- a profile that matches the Army's version of events in Friday night's shooting.

The memo says more than 500 American troops have been killed on the streets and at checkpoints in Iraq. Mistaken shootings of civilians resulted in "few deadly incidents" since the U.S. started checkpoints in March 2003, according to the memo.

Meanwhile, the White House dismissed as "absurd" the stated suspicion of the reporter, Giuliana Sgrena, who said the United States tried to kill her because it opposes negotiations with terrorists to free hostages. Miss Sgrena, a reporter for the Italian communist newspaper Il Manifesto, provided no evidence.

"It's absurd to make any such suggestion that our men and women in uniform would deliberately target innocent civilians," said White House spokesman Scott McClellan adding: "We regret this incident. We are going to fully investigate what exactly occurred."

Maj. Gen. William G. Webster Jr., who heads the Army's 3rd Infantry Division, yesterday completed the "commander's preliminary inquiry." He has decided to conduct a more extensive inquiry, called a 15-6 for the regulation that authorizes it. Gen. Webster will name one officer to head the probe.

A U.S. official said that of all the cars that passed through the checkpoint that night, the reporter's vehicle was the only one fired upon.

"Something that car did caused the soldiers to fire," said the official, who asked not to be named.

The shooting occurred at night at a checkpoint on a notoriously dangerous road that links Baghdad to the international airport.

The incident has put a spotlight on "friendly fire" episodes that occur with some regularity in Iraq when motorists fail to heed warnings to stop at roadside checkpoints and are fired on by American troops who fear that the vehicle might be a weapon. Cars and trucks are a common weapon in suicide bombings and drive-by shootings.

The soldiers did not know that Miss Sgrena and Italian agents were headed in their direction on the way to the airport for a flight back to Italy.

An internal Pentagon information memo states, "This is war. About 500 American service members have been killed by hostile fire while operating on Iraqi streets and highways. The journalist was driving in pitch-dark and at a high speed and failed, according to the first reports, to respond to numerous warnings. Besides, there is no indication that the Italian security forces made prior arrangements to facilitate the transition to the airport."

The left-leaning Italian newspaper La Repubblica reported yesterday that Mr. Calipari decided not to use available escort protection from the elite commandos who protect Italy's Baghdad embassy.

Instead, he rented an inconspicuous pickup trick to recover Miss Sgrena, wrote La Repubblica's top investigative reporter, Giuseppe D'Avanzo.

"In Iraq, the United States makes the rules and the Italian ally also must respect them. If it wants to break them, it must do so with a double game and some crafty tricks," Mr. D'Avanzo wrote.

Italian magistrates have opened an inquiry into the killing and are arranging for the truck to be flown to Italy for examination by ballistic experts, judicial sources said. The magistrates also have obtained from the U.S. military the cellular phone that Mr. Calipari was carrying when he was shot.

Analysis of calls logged on the cellular phone might allow investigators to determine the speed at which the vehicle was traveling when U.S. troops opened fire on it, the sources say.

Mel Sembler, U.S. ambassador to Italy, reiterated Washington's position in a 45-minute meeting with Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi last night, diplomatic sources said.

Robert Maginnis, a retired Army officer and military analyst, said Rome should have done a better job coordinating Miss Sgrena's exit once the Italians negotiated her release.

"It seems to me that the Italian secret service considers this a James Bond movie in Baghdad," Mr. Maginnis said. "They're driving around at night picking up a journalist who has been kidnapped and pretending they can get through a phalanx of checkpoints along the deadliest road in all of Iraq without being detected, much less shot up."

The Army's 3rd Infantry Division, which last week resumed command of Baghdad operations after participating in the 2003 invasion, said the soldiers had warned the approaching car repeatedly before opening fire.

According to the division, the patrol attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals, flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car."


•John Phillips contributed to this report in Rome.

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To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/8/2005 10:06:29 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
The Calipari affair

The QandO Blog
Posted by: McQ on Tuesday, March 08, 2005

I've read as much as much as is available about the sad accident which cost the Italian agent his life after the freeing of a hostage in Iraq. I've looked at every angle and tried to put myself in the place of both those in the car which was fired upon and those at the checkpoint in question.

While I think it is a very unfortunate and avoidable accident, I come down firmly on the side of those manning the US checkpoint. Obviously the Italians see it differently:

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Italy's foreign minister urged the United States Tuesday to punish any soldiers found guilty of wrongdoing in the killing of an Italian intelligence agent in Iraq last week.

"It is our duty to demand truth and justice," Foreign Minister Gianfranco Fini told parliament, casting doubt on the U.S. military's account of the shooting of Italian agent Nicola Calipari outside Baghdad airport.

Calipari has been hailed as a hero after he died shielding a newly freed Italian hostage from the U.S. gunfire.
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A couple of points. How to approach a checkpoint is not something which is unknown by those in Iraq. In fact, as an article in the Atlanta Journal Constitution points out, a concerted effort has been made to inform everyone of the proper procedure:

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U.S. forces have used Iraqi media and even passed out leaflets in Arabic informing Iraqis and Westerners in Iraq how to conduct themselves as they approach checkpoints to avoid drawing fire.

"It is tribal wisdom, it is street knowledge in and around Iraq, how to behave around traffic control points," Venables said.
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Obviously a speeding car which won't respond to warnings and signals to stop is not a proper way to approach such a checkpoint.


Car bombs are proximity devices. The closer it is to the target the more damage it will do. I don't think I have to tell anyone that US troops at checkpoints have been targets of car bombs.

Point 2. Apparently none of the troops at the checkpoint knew the Italians were coming through. Now its not completely clear whether that's the fault of the US command or the Italians, although the Italians say they checked in with the US command before proceeding. They also said they had the car lights on to identify the car (although I'm unclear how that would have been particularly useful). What this 'checking in' consisted of is still not clear. Subsequent events, however, argue that the troops on the US checkpoint were not aware of any such mission. They apparently had no reason to assume a speeding car coming at their checkpoint was anything but hostile.

Point 3. Troops fired at the engine block. If your intent is to target and kill the occupants of a vehicle you don't fire at the engine block. You fire into the interior of the vehicle at the driver and passengers. If the intent of firing at the car was to kill the occupants, or target them as some alleged, they'd be dead right now. Instead it appears the troops, after warnings and attempts to stop the car by non lethal means finally made the decision to protect themselves from a nonresponsive and potentially lethal threat. But their aim appears to be to disable the car before it could get into their proximity and possibly detonate any explosives on board.

Point 4. US troops on the scene, once they realized what happend, apologized profusely:


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The intelligence officer who survived the attack was forced to kneel in the road until the soldiers realized who he was.

"Two young Americans approached our officer and, demoralized, they repeatedly apologized for what had happened," Fini said.
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These are not the actions of people who are accused by some of deliberately and wantonly targeting a civilian vehicle. The actions of the US troops speak to a proper response to a perceived threat. Their subsequent apology, on the scene, speaks to an understandable and lamentable mistake. In fact it should be pointed out that according to reports, all-in-all their response to the perceived threat was a very measured one. It could have been much worse had they raised their aim and fired into the passenger compartment of the vehicle. Had that happened, its doubtful that any of the occupants would have survived.

It is indeed unfortunate and tragic. An apology from the US is appropriate, just as anyone would apologize after such an accident. But again, barring extensive new evidence to the contrary, it appears a lack of communication and a lack of forethought on the Italian side combined with troops on a checkpoint who reacted to a perceived threat were the cause of the accident. Had I been on that checkpoint and assuming most of the facts are correct, I'd have reacted in precisely the same manner.


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To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/8/2005 11:07:01 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Gulf News Channels Eason Jordan

Captain's Quarters

To no one's great surprise, Gulf News has taken the Sgrena incident and used it to bolster Eason Jordan's allegations of deliberate assassinations of journalists by American forces in Iraq. Tom Bevan at RealClearPolitics points readers to this one-sided editorial by Linda Heard, which takes the ultra-leftist Sgrena's self-contradictory narrative as gospel to smear the American military:

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CNN's chief news executive Eason Jordan was forced to resign last month to quell the furore over his suggestion that US troops had "targetted" journalists.

He was later to backtrack and apologise in an effort to keep his job but the damage had already been done.

The knives came out from all sides of the political spectrum with Jordan branded as being un-American and unpatriotic.

Now, just weeks later, the left-wing, anti-war Italian reporter Giuliana Sgrena who was shot at and wounded by American forces in Iraq shortly after being released by her kidnappers, is echoing Jordan's assertion.
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Look, even the Italian press isn't buying into Sgrena's story, although they understandably want an investigation into Nicola Calipari's death. Heard fails to explain, as does Sgrena, how an assassination attempt on a car with a "rain of bullets" managed to leave two of the three people inside alive, especially the target of their attempt -- and why the same people supposedly trying to silence her wound up getting her medical aid.

Just as with Eason Jordan, Heard makes baseless accusations with no supporting evidence -- except, in this case, a warning by the same people who kidnapped and held Sgrena hostage that the Americans didn't want her released. Perhaps Heard and Sgrena can get this brave terrorist to come forward and explain why. Oh, wait! He can't come forward, because he's too busy beheading Western civilians who came to Iraq to help rebuild the country. I can see why Sgrena and Heard consider him such a reliable source of information.

No one wanted to see Sgrena or Calipari injured or killed, except for the terrorists who would have gladly hacked her neck to pieces and danced in her blood had Italy not given them a fortune in ransom money to get her back. All of us want the Army to investigate the incident to ensure that if mistakes were made, they don't get made again. But at the same time, we're going to quit supporting any such investigation if baseless smears don't stop coming from Italian officals, their press, and they admit the possibility -- in fact, the probability -- that the Italians had more than a little responsibility for this incident themselves, and if they don't demand a parallel investigation of the decision that put millions of dollars into the hands of terrorists to free Sgrena in the first place.


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To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/8/2005 11:25:40 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
ITALY'S BLOOD MONEY

By Michelle Malkin
March 08, 2005 09:49 AM

Still wondering about Giuliana Sgrena's ransom?

Lucia Annunziata, former president of Italian state television RAI, "said yesterday government sources estimate Italy has paid kidnappers nearly $15 million for hostages in the past year," according to the New York Post today. Annunziata admits:

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The frequency of our kidnappings has transformed that which was an extraordinary, emergency option into plain and simple policy," said Annunziata. Ten Italians have been abducted in Iraq in the past year. At least three, including Sgrena, have been freed in apparent ransom deals.
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Genius Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, having now forked untold millions in ransom subsidies to terrorists, now says: "We have to rethink our strategy in dealing with kidnappings."

What is the Italian word for idiotarian?!

Update: Now the terrorists are denying that they took the payment. What?!


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To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/8/2005 11:28:21 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
ITALY MAY END RANSOM DEALS

NY Post
By ANDY SOLTIS

March 8, 2005 -- Italy may abandon its secret, controversial policy of paying huge ransoms for hostages held in Iraq, in the aftermath of last week's tragedy following the release of an Italian journalist.

"We have to rethink our strategy in dealing with kidnappings," Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi was quoted as saying by the newspaper Il Messaggero yesterday.

Berlusconi was reacting to widespread reports that his government paid millions of dollars to Iraqi thugs to free journalist Giuliana Sgrena.

The Italian leader has repeatedly denied making payoffs to Iraqi kidnappers — a policy the Bush administration says only encourages kidnappers and provides money to terrorists.

But Lucia Annunziata, former president of state television RAI, said yesterday government sources estimate Italy has paid kidnappers nearly $15 million for hostages in the past year.

"The frequency of our kidnappings has transformed that which was an extraordinary, emergency option into plain and simple policy," said Annunziata.

Ten Italians have been abducted in Iraq in the past year. At least three, including Sgrena, have been freed in apparent ransom deals.

Sgrena fueled the debate over ransoms by suggesting that after she was released Friday, U.S. forces fired on her party because the Bush administration was "bothered" by the "happy end to the negotiations."

The White House denounced the claim.

"I think it's absurd to make any such suggestion that our men and women in uniform deliberately targeted innocent civilians. That's just absurd," said spokesman Scott McClellan.

Berlusconi came under fire last September over indications the government had paid more than $1 million to free two kidnapped charity workers, Simona Pari and Simona Torretta.

With Post Wire Services

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To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/8/2005 2:23:18 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
LOL! What a crock! It's worthy of the title of this thread.....
I Will Continue to Continue, to Pretend....

From: Suma
Posted: 3/8/2005 8:23:44 AM

Did the US military target Italian journalist Guiliana Sgrena in Iraq?

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To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/8/2005 2:59:42 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Top U.S. General in Iraq Says He Is Unaware Italians Told U.S. Forces About Convoy's Route

Mar 8, 2005
By Robert Burns
The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - The top U.S. general in Iraq said Tuesday he has no indication that Italian officials gave advance notice of the route of a vehicle U.S. soldiers fired on last Friday, killing an Italian intelligence officer and wounding a rescued Italian journalist.

"I personally do not have any indication of that, even on a preliminary basis," Army Gen. George Casey told reporters at the Pentagon. He stressed that another officer, Brig. Gen. Peter Vangjel, is heading the investigation, which is expected to be carried out jointly with Italian officials.


Casey, who was in Washington for meetings at the Pentagon and on Capitol Hill, said the investigation could be completed in three to four weeks.

One of the key unanswered questions is what, if anything, the Italians told the Americans beforehand about the convoy's movement to Baghdad International Airport.

Casey said he is not personally familiar with all the details of what may have led to the shooting. When asked if he would expect to be told if there were indications the Italians had informed U.S. forces in advance of the convoy's route, he replied, "I would hope so."

Italian intelligence officer Nicola Calipari was killed Friday when U.S. troops at a checkpoint fired at the car carrying him and freed Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena to the airport after Sgrena's release from a month in captivity.

Casey declined to say what kind of charges might be brought against any U.S. troops involved.

"We are working closely with the Italians on their participation in the investigation," Casey said.

At another point, in response to questions about whether he had known the Italians were negotiating for Sgrena's release, Casey said, "I don't have any information about the Italians coming in here to do something with respect to the hostage."

In a statement released last Friday after the shooting, the U.S. 3rd Infantry Division, which controls Baghdad, said the vehicle was "traveling at high speeds" and "refused to stop at a checkpoint."

A U.S. patrol "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals, flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car," it said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into the engine block which stopped the vehicle, killing one and wounding two others
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Italian officials have disputed the U.S. assertion that the vehicle was traveling quickly, and they have challenged other aspects of the official U.S. explanation of what happened.

Casey also said he was concerned by the fact that in addition to the killing of the Italian intelligence officer, a Bulgarian soldier slain last week in Iraq also may have been hit by U.S. gunfire.

"It's another unfortunate incident," he said. "Again, both the Bulgarians and us are looking into exactly what happened up during that period, and we'll get to the bottom of it."

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To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/8/2005 3:27:52 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
The Plot Sickens

Roger L. Simon

I could brag that, as a mystery writer, my initial reactions to the "liberation" of Giuliana Sgrena are true, but I am not sure. Still, now we have the kidnappers themselves saying they refused all ransom. Do we believe them? Meanwhile, the Washington Times asserts "Italy did not plan safe escape for hostage." Is that true or just a cliché about Italians resurfacing? Of course their foreign minister has his own view. One thing is certain - propaganda interests will always take precedence over reality in a situation like this.

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To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/8/2005 4:19:55 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 35834
 
Whose Fault was It?

Common Sense and Wonder

I think I'll take the word of our soldiers over an anti-American, anti-war Italian Communist. It seems pretty clear who was at fault here. Now what was the reasoning behind the refusal of an Italian military escort and instead speeding towards a US army checkpoint in a pickup truck in the middle of the night?

And by the way, I'm sure some of you are asking "so what if she is a Communist, that doesn't give us the right to shoot her." I have two comments to make on that. First, I'm not saying that we have a right to shoot her but I do question her story based on her strong political beliefs. Second, would anyone be in such an uproar if she had been a Nazi writer for a Nazi paper? I don't think so. The biggest difference between Communists and Nazis is that Communists murdered more people.
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A U.S. official said that of all the cars that passed through the checkpoint that night, the reporter's vehicle was the only one fired upon.

"Something that car did caused the soldiers to fire," said the official, who asked not to be named. The shooting occurred at night at a checkpoint on a notoriously dangerous road that links Baghdad to the international airport.

The incident has put a spotlight on "friendly fire" episodes that occur with some regularity in Iraq when motorists fail to heed warnings to stop at roadside checkpoints and are fired on by American troops who fear that the vehicle might be a weapon. Cars and trucks are a common weapon in suicide bombings and drive-by shootings.

The soldiers did not know that Miss Sgrena and Italian agents were headed in their direction on the way to the airport for a flight back to Italy.

An internal Pentagon information memo states, "This is war. About 500 American service members have been killed by hostile fire while operating on Iraqi streets and highways. The journalist was driving in pitch-dark and at a high speed and failed, according to the first reports, to respond to numerous warnings. Besides, there is no indication that the Italian security forces made prior arrangements to facilitate the transition to the airport."

The left-leaning Italian newspaper La Repubblica reported yesterday that Mr. Calipari decided not to use available escort protection from the elite commandos who protect Italy's Baghdad embassy.

Instead, he rented an inconspicuous pickup trick to recover Miss Sgrena, wrote La Repubblica's top investigative reporter, Giuseppe D'Avanzo.
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And it looks like even some Italians are questioning her side of the story:


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In an Italy under shock at the death of Nicola Calipari, emotions are prompting people to say and write many things that perhaps in a few days may look overstated, if not embarrassing. Of course, the writer is the first to understand, and up to a point even share, what lies behind those emotions. Take the anguish of Giuliana Sgrena, abducted by the very people she thought she was defending. For one month, she was a hostage to fear and the unknown, then only one step away from death, saved at the last by the sacrifice of one of the men who freed her. We are well aware that the anguish was not merely hers. It was shared by her many close companions.

But when understandable emotion produces unequivocal, crudely polemical statements such as those we are currently reading in Il Manifesto newspaper, and which are echoed less assertively elsewhere, then it is permissible to put one or two - we think - not unreasonable questions.

We’ll begin with the crucial one, which is this: is it true, as the self-styled “Communist Daily” headline puts it, that the death of Nicola Calipari was a “preemptive” and therefore premeditated, homicide? Is it true, as Rossana Rossanda writes, that the Americans were shooting “to kill,” and that Calipari’s death was “an assassination?” Can we really subscribe to the picture painted by Ms Rossanda of arrogant Yankee roughnecks, beardless and/or whisky-soused, complying with the “American maxim, ‘shoot first, ask questions later?,’ and obeying without objection the order ‘when those Italians arrive, eliminate them’?” Must we really trust Giuliana Sgrena’s feelings when she tells us that her abductors were very probably right when they told her, “the Americans don’t want you to go back,” adding her own comment that they - the Americans again - “don’t want our work to show what Iraq has become with the war, despite the so-called elections.” (As if the U.S. media publishes whatever the Pentagon says or, if that’s how things stand, as if all American journalists were also in mortal danger; as for the Iraqi elections that shouldn’t be called elections, what does Ms Sgrena think they should be called?).

To continue, what might be the “information” in Ms Sgrena’s possession that, according to her life partner Pier Scolari, could justify an assassination by the Americans determined not to see it published? Finally, are we really to believe that the Italians’ car was hit by “400 bullets, a storm of projectiles” (Mr Scolari)? Are we really to believe Giuliana Sgrena when she says that she personally picked “handfuls of bullets” off the seat, but that, in this premeditated rain of fire from an armored vehicle against an automobile with no armor plating, only one passenger actually died?

To us, at least, these look like reasonable questions. It seems to us equally reasonable to wonder in conclusion that if Washington had been determined that the Italian journalist should die, why - for her and our good fortune - did she survive? What caused the plot to abort? And why were two Italians actually left alive to bear witness to the attack? Let it be clear that it is quite possible that each of these questions has a satisfactory answer. But if that is the case, we hope that today, when heads are cooler, politicians and commentators from all parties will devote their attention to finding those answers. Because if we want to engage in a trial of strength with the U.S., we certainly can, but in the knowledge that it will not be won for us by emotions and strong words.

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Posted by Max Jacobs

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To: Suma who wrote (8237)3/8/2005 4:24:21 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Sgrena's Car (The Real One)

"Little Green Footballs is at it again."

Italian communist Giuliana Sgrena said her car was hit by 300 to 400 bullets from an armored vehicle. She said she was picking up handfuls of spent rounds from the seats. Many accounts described her car as “riddled with bullets.”

La Repubblica.it now has photos of the real thing. (Thanks to the many readers who emailed.)

And it looks even less damaged than the incorrect photo we posted yesterday.

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