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To: tejek who wrote (222944)3/8/2005 5:45:43 PM
From: TimF  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1576762
 
Its fine that he has his opinion but he shouldn't enforce ideological conformity in his class. I am not calling for censorship.

Again, its not what I am disputing. In a country with free speech, his position is not so terrible. I am surprised at your reaction.

My reaction to the fact that he made controversial statements is not that strong, what is more upseting is that people on the other side of the issue get harsher treatment.

I am unclear why you are on this tangent. I made very clear in bold letters prefaced by the word EDIT what my objections were to the article.

And I was directly responding to your statement in bold letters. It isn't a tangent I was directly addressing one of your objections which you thought important enough to bold, and I quoted the objection so it would be clear what I was responding to. Your pbjection was "EDIT: Up above, it was "alleged".....now its become "actual". That's called stacking the deck. " I showed how it was not "stacking the deck".

"Determining the boundaries of this dispute is a slippery exercise. At root it is about some Jewish students and recent graduates, who could number several dozen, contending that in recent years they felt mocked and marginalized by pro-Palestinian professors. They have not, however, pointed to any grade retribution.

OK, so that isn't as bad. I still would be against the enforced ideoligcal conformity but while that isn't a good thing its not unusual.

Some of the Jews in the class got upset at one point; so did some of the Arabs.......it seemed at times it was difficult to please anyone. Eventually, he let us have group discussions on the big issues. It was extremely valuable. He was an older than Massad and may have been more adept at handling controversial issues. What I do know is that it was one of the classes I enjoyed the most.

A much better way to handle it than what it appears Massad has done. Sounds like your class could have been a good class. I probably wouldn't enjoy Massad's even if my opinion was totally in favor of the Palestinian side of the argument and against the Israeli side.

Well it at least appears that we have agreement on the broad free speach principles involved, namely -

""It is time to put a stop to the obsession with victimization and offense. Speech codes and ideological uniformity lead inevitably to naked abuses of power and double standards"

and

"Simply put, free speech needs room to breathe. So free Thomas Klocek from his suspension, and restrict any “investigation” of Massad to only those allegations involving actual violations of student academic freedom.""

Tim