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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (67280)3/9/2005 4:31:31 PM
From: Stock Farmer  Respond to of 77400
 
Lizzie, read the 10-K carefully.

They recorded option expense for employees too. In this case it was due to strike prices below a retrospectively applied 'fair' price, so they were applying some intrinsic value to the options at grant and expensing this cost.

While this may have been an understatement vis-a-vis new requirements, the point is that AN expense tied to options didn't kill Google at all.

John



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (67280)3/9/2005 4:54:39 PM
From: GVTucker  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 77400
 
Lizzie, RE: wrong- Google did not expense EMPLOYEE options. They were forced to expense options that were used in payment to services already rendered like headhunter fees.

Go to your Google S-1, if you ever bothered to get one. Here's a link:

secinfo.com

Read this quote, from page 45 in this particular version of the S-1:

Stock-Based Compensation. We have granted to our employees options to purchase our common stock at exercise prices equal to the fair market value of the underlying stock, as determined by our board of directors, on the date of option grant. For purposes of financial accounting, we have applied hindsight within each year to arrive at deemed values for the shares underlying our options. We recorded the difference between the exercise price of an option awarded to an employee and the deemed value of the underlying shares on the date of grant as deferred stock-based compensation. The determination of the deemed value of stock underlying options is discussed in detail below in “Critical Accounting Policies and Estimates—Stock-Based Compensation.” We recognize compensation expense as we amortize the deferred stock-based compensation amounts on an accelerated basis over the related vesting periods, generally four or five years. In addition, we have awarded options to non-employees to purchase our common stock. Stock-based compensation related to non-employees is measured on a fair-value basis using the Black-Scholes valuation model as the options are earned.

It clearly notes that Google expensed both employee and non-employee options prior to their IPO. And, contrary what you have continually maintained, in spite of continuous evidence that refutes your stance, expensing options didn't kill the Google IPO.