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To: goldworldnet who wrote (97819)	3/12/2005 2:59:52 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

I disagree. I think that everyone should have a safety net. I like the western European model. We are the only industrialized nation in the world not to have national health insurance, for example. I like societies where everyone has enough food to eat so that children are not malnourished (about thirty percent of American school children go hungry). It is impossible to learn when you are hungry. Children are innocent and have no control over who their parents are and whether they are competent and affluent. A society where everyone has their basic needs met so they can thrive and therefore contribute is a healthier society than one in which rugged individualism is the governing principle.

To: goldworldnet who wrote (97819)	3/12/2005 3:26:13 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

<The difficulty is to help the helpless without the more able taking unfair advantage of that good will. > I think we do that by making it more attractive to participate in society that to simply suckle at the teat. All babies eventually stop nursing. Living on a single food is much less interesting that the variety that adult food offers. Some people are locked in a perpetual childhood through disease or circumstance. It is a false assumption that compassion leads to dependence - I have kids that don't want any charity and some that would simply live as lumps. That is not so much a choice as a set point. Charity without regard to the holistic needs of the individual can lead to dependence. That was the failure of the Great Society. Just feeding people without assessing parenting skills and providing Head Start for their kids kills the spirit and produces no forward momentum. Maybe that's where we need social engineering, which I really don't have a problem with.