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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (224156)	3/15/2005 7:34:48 PM
From: SilentZ	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573927

>Maybe while we're allowing young teenagers to "explore their sexuality," we should also allow them to explore the wonderful world of booze and tobacco. Sounds about right. -Z

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (224156)	3/15/2005 7:46:53 PM
From: Road Walker	Respond to of 1573927

re: Elroy, don't you find it interesting that legally, you can't drink alcohol until you're 21, and you can't buy cigarettes until you're 18, but you're allowed to have sex with others your age? It's a bit easier to regulate sales of stuff than it is peoples personal relationships or personal lives. But I guess you don't see the difference. John

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (224156)	3/15/2005 8:04:00 PM
From: Road Walker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573927

Dear MoveOn member, March 19th, 2005 will mark 2 full years since the bombs started falling in Iraq. As of today, 1,516 American troops have been killed in combat, and over 11,220 have been seriously injured. Uncounted tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians have died, and millions are without electricity or running water. The Bush administration is in the middle of an optimism campaign on Iraq, and wants us to believe that a stable peace is around the corner. But most realists see years of chaos and violence ahead. The two-year anniversary of the invasion is an important time to come together in response. Our friends at Sojourners--a network of progressive faith-based communities--are organizing peace vigils all across the country, and they have asked MoveOn members to join them. You can either find a vigil in your neighborhood, or start one of your own. It's a first step--an opportunity to mark this date with a solemn recognition of those we have lost, and a firm commitment to finding a better way. To find a vigil near you, just go to: moveon.org To host a vigil, go to: moveon.org The vigils will take many different forms. Some are hosted by churches, synagogues and mosques and include religious prayers. Some are hosted by local peace groups and are non-denominational. Resources are available online to help you organize either type. Common elements include reading the names of fallen Americans and Iraqis, prayer for peace, and silence. This anniversary is also an important time to reflect on the war itself, and where we go from here. The fundamental error of the invasion has left us, as a nation, with no opportunity for a quick fix. But together, we must address the catastrophe Bush has created, and ensure we are never again deceived into a reckless war. Last summer, we surveyed MoveOn members to determine where folks stood on Iraq. An overwhelming majority of us agreed that we need to have a clear exit plan. And that consensus remains: in order to gain the trust of the Iraqi people, they must know that we don't intend to be there forever. In the days ahead, we will work together to end the war, by pressuring the President to negotiate a binding exit plan with the Iraqi government. We will push to ensure that America doesn't establish permanent military bases in Iraq, which would send such a terrible message to the world about our motives there. Together, we will demand that Congress root out the corporate corruption that has undercut the rebuilding efforts and washed billions we've already put into Iraq down the drain. This is especially crucial as Congress prepares to approve another $80+ billion for Iraq. And we will counter the Bush doctrine of shortsighted, go-it-alone militarism by promoting healthy engagement with the international community--the best way to accomplish diplomatic goals, and address real security threats. Finally, we'll organize to increase the political consequences for misleading the country into war. Future lawmakers must know that illegitimate wars come at a great political cost. Our work together goes on. But this Saturday, let's begin by commemorating what has happened, mourning those we have lost and building hope together for a more peaceful world. To find and join a two-year anniversary peace vigil, click here: moveon.org To host your own vigil, click here moveon.org Thanks for all that you do to make the world a more secure and peaceful place. Sincerely, --Eli Pariser, Ben Brandzel and the MoveOn.org Team March 15th, 2005

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (224156)	3/15/2005 10:52:08 PM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1573927

Elroy, don't you find it interesting that legally, you can't drink alcohol until you're 21, and you can't buy cigarettes until you're 18, but you're allowed to have sex with others your age? Maybe while we're allowing young teenagers to "explore their sexuality," we should also allow them to explore the wonderful world of booze and tobacco. Now the right considers sex to be a chemical substance? Can answer one question for me.......how do you guys have fun? ted

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (224156)	3/15/2005 11:53:02 PM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1573927

Elroy, don't you find it interesting that legally, you can't drink alcohol until you're 21, and you can't buy cigarettes until you're 18, but you're allowed to have sex with others your age? Not really. It would be pretty hard to prosecute two 15 year olds that have sex together. Who committed the crime? The government can recommend abstinence until a certain age (or financial independence), but it's hard to see society better off if two 15 year olds had sex and then had to serve 12 months in prison!