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To: LLCF who wrote (28866)3/19/2005 10:48:09 AM
From: Wyätt Gwyön  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 110194
 
You got a nice deal then... I've worked for myself... couldn't get any group rates

i've always worked for myself, too. never had any group rates. i am paying a whopping $201 a month now for family coverage, and to find this i didn't have to do anything more intrepid than go to google and type "health insurance".

<unfortunately, Chinese medicine hasn't done much for life expectancy in China over the years.>
Oh? Beg to differ.


"Traditional Chinese medicine is not based on knowledge of modern physiology, biochemistry, nutrition, anatomy, or any of the known mechanisms of healing. Nor is it based on knowledge of cell chemistry, blood circulation, nerve function, or the existence of hormones or other biochemical substances. There is no correlation between the meridians used in traditional Chinese medicine and the actual layout of the organs and nerves in the human body. The National Council Against Health Fraud (NCAHF) claims that of the 46 medical journals published by the Chinese Medical Association, not one is devoted to acupuncture or other traditional Chinese medical practices. Nevertheless, it is estimated that somewhere between 10 and 15 million Americans spend approximately $500 million a year on acupuncture for treatment of depression, AIDS, allergies, asthma, arthritis, bladder and kidney problems, constipation, diarrhea, colds, flu, bronchitis, dizziness, smoking, fatigue, gynecologic disorders, headaches, migraines, paralysis, high blood pressure, PMS, sciatica, sexual dysfunction, stress, stroke, tendinitis, and vision problems."
skepdic.com

Even in 'the West' much of life expectancy increase is due to sanitation

as i explained to tooearly, sanitation was a direct product of the Germ Theory of Disease, i.e., western medicine. it's rather curious that people who readily believe in meridians and other unprovable phenomena think sanitation just fell from the sky.

Western medicine isn't coming close to stemming the tide of new diseases and increasing death rates by variable which are all addressed in Chinese medicine.

yeah, right. i guess if the flu pandemic hits we just need to get pricked on the earlobe by an accupuncturist?

IMO the best way is to use both... Chinese medicine {most of the time} for prevention and Western medicine for later in life

the idea of preventive care is, i think, the best thing about Chinese medicine. health care in the west discourages health maintenance since profits are made from treating diseases. this is unfortunate. but it is something that could be corrected by an enlightened society. there's no physical reason the scientific method couldn't be applied to preventive care with great effectiveness. it's just that systemically, the incentives aren't there to motivate people.

also, the diets in the West are terrible, and as is well known our poor diets lead to heart disease and many other problems. on top of this, i think the standards have really come down over the years, both in terms of quality of food and quality of body. people eat much more junk today and prepare little of their own food. this means a greater proportion of processed foods. also, people consume greater total volume of food, even as they exercise less. naturally, there are more obese people as a result.

i think this is because the standards have slowly come down. you can't force people to control their diets or their figures, but social pressures are very effective. this is, i think, why when i come back to America from Asia, the first thing i notice is all the fat people. in Asia, the fat person sticks out and feels pressure, a lot of pressure. i think that social pressure is worth 1000 diet books. here, many people are fat, plus they feel sorry for themselves and blame it on their genetics even if their own ancestors weren't fat--society coddles them and the doctors are happy because they have waiting rooms full of fat people suffering from all sorts of complications from their condition. so, i think what we have is a social disease...



To: LLCF who wrote (28866)3/19/2005 11:00:25 AM
From: RealMuLan  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 110194
 
[But I don't think the big boys in the US will ever let this type TCM go mainstream simply because it would threaten their profit]--Clinical study on TCM statin proves its effectiveness in treating heart diseases '
By Julia Ng, Channel NewsAsia

SINGAPORE : According to the National Health Survey, more than half of Singaporeans have an unhealthy level of bad cholesterol.

But if you have to pop pills to keep your cholesterol in check, there is now an alternative to Western statins to lower cholesterol levels.

A landmark study on a Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) health supplement has found that it is not only just as effective as Western statins, it is also better at preventing heart attacks.

The clinical study, the first to be done on a TCM drug, included Singapore heart patients.

Jeremy Harris , who has high cholesterol, was once so put off by the side effects of cholesterol-lowering statins that he stopped taking them.

Statins are known to have side effects like liver toxicity and muscles aches.

But Jeremy can now take a TCM drug to treat his cholesterol problem, as it is now clinically proven to have none of the side effects of Western statins.

Called Xuezhikang, it is made from fermented red yeast rice and is the leading statin in China.

But doctors wanted to know if it could also prevent heart diseases besides lowering cholesterol.

So Professor Lu Zongliang from the Beijing Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences did a four-year clinical study using Xuezhikang on almost 5,000 heart patients in China, at 65 hospitals in 19 provinces across China.

And it found that heart patients who took Xuezhikang had a much lower risk of getting heart attacks (45 percent compared to 24 percent), than those who took Western statins.

Professor Lu said, "The significance of my study is that this is the first time China applied evidence-based medicine to prove the efficacy of a TCM drug in treating coronary heart diseases. That was never done before.

"It proves that Xuezhikang does indeed lower cholesterol, protects the heart, and has little side effects....And anyone with high blood pressure, coronary heart disease, diabetes, obesity could benefit from taking Xuezhikang."

Other researchers are also excited by the study - as it showed that the TCM drug reduced the risk of cancer by half.

Dr Li Zhaoping, Director, Clinical Research Unit, David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA, said, "There's a significant drop in cancer incidence and death when people take Chinese red yeast rice...At UCLA United States, we have done some preliminary work, and we have been amazed at those compounds, and their significant effects on cancer cell growth.

"It decreases the inflammation of the body and as you know inflammation causes a lot of problems, including heart disease and stroke....So we're very very excited, we're moving forward to on to clinical trials in the US to further clarify those functions."

A smaller study on 30 patients was also carried out at the Singapore National Heart Centre which drew similar conclusions on cholesterol reduction.

Besides being safe and free from side effects, the key advantage of such TCM alternatives is price.

They cost two-thirds of what patients would have to pay for Western statins.

In Singapore, Xuezhikang is available as HypoCol and the more potent Lipascor, a prescription only drug.

Both are approved by the Singapore Health Ministry under the new guidelines of Chinese Proprietary Medicine. - CNA

channelnewsasia.com