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To: neolib who wrote (159374)	3/21/2005 12:03:50 PM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 281500

Tell Marcos for me that the Jews should have considered colonizing the Moon for all he cares. Indeed he might be all for that given that that the moon is not only arab-free but oxygen-free as well. (g)

To: neolib who wrote (159374)	3/27/2005 3:37:06 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Interesting observation, quite true - 'Regrading Africans, I think they are one of the great winners in the redistribution of peoples during the last few 100 years. Not only did they retain their homelands, but their genes have done quite well elsewhere, particularly the Americas. And this was accomplished totally in the underdog state.' Never thought of it that way before ... so what were the reasons for success, hmmm, could the fact that they weren't in a position to be ethnically exclusionary mean they got to mix it up more than others who were deprived of that freedom? ... an old close friend of mine is as truly mexicano as it is possible to be, he is also clearly african in large part, descendant of a slave who escaped from Tejas ... or more likely, as he is finding out recently, more than one slave from Tejas, two or more g-g-g-grandfathers as they seem to have founded a small community, near Poza Rica in Veracruz ... other communities were known from there to the north, all long since blended into the population, of course .... but to see this guy in his backwards baseball cap and cantinero's apron, running his quasi-legal cantina, is the best of the culture imho, he's a sort of showman/magistrate/priest, dispensing quality entertainment along with the customary justice and holy sacraments The big european grab for Africa was late, only got rolling in earnest after Bismarck's conference, around 1880 ... it was also a completely new style of imperialism, deliberate instead of a side-effect, as India had been for the brits, somewhat accidental as a final result of protection of trade .... it was a competitive effort, and rushed, there wasn't really time for much settlement, between then and 1914 when the oh-so-developed nations started expending themselves on each other instead ... hmm, i'm tempted to disagree with you on East Africa, as to timing anyway, but what i know about the place is much less than you, no doubt .... did have distant relatives involved against the mau-mau though, also in Malaya in the fifties ... don't know much about them, just seventeenth cousins from my english side Does Ian Smith still live in Salisbury? ... there are those who believe he got a bad rap, he had many black supporters, and lined up against Mugabe he doesn't look so bad after all, eh .... cheers [edit] - another difference with african colonisation would be in disease, which in the Americas near wiped out the indigenous population, leaving the remainder quite weakened, and in many places rendering the land near a clean slate .... where in Africa, there would have been some degree of contact long before, so resistance to infection would have been somewhat greater[?] .... also, disease would be a factor in the other direction, many euros including Livingstone [i think] died of malaria and other things to which they had little resistance ..... although this was true in the Americas as well, but there the natives had quinine and the euros soon learned of it