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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Brumar89 who wrote (99279)	3/22/2005 9:40:41 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

< if America ever does anything which offends anyone for any reason, America is evil and deserves attack? Seems to be the basis of your argument.> Deserves? That wasn't my wording. Try to not lie about me. <Whatever America does its wrong seems to be your mindset in this argument. More lies. If I took the position that everything the U.S. did was justified, measured and appropriate, would you support that? Could you find anything where it wasn't or is everything ever done by the U.S. worthy of respect? Do you think that every other nation on Earth thinks that they are unjustified, disprortionate and inappropriate for their actions? For goodness sake! Of course not. <Hmm, liberal cartoons make Bush look like a chimp, so I suppose war against liberals is called for - LOL?> That's a little different than making racial slurs part of the national policy, but I'm not surprised you don't see it. We have long periods of time where wealthy elitists controlled the destiny of the people of America. It seems that such times are returning and there are numerous quotes by famous tyrants that say to gain control of a people, make them afraid. Give them an enemy or create one. Who was Patriot Act I/II protecting us from? Domestic terrorists or the son of a family friend of GWB. That just won't fly. If YOU had bombed the WTC, your family would have been in lock down if the Feds were doing their job. With interference at the highest levels, relatives of the leader of the attacking group were allowed to leave during an aviation lock-down. <We've been embargoed before. Didn't go to war over it. > Not when our entire economy was affected. We are 60% dependent upon oil now. There is probably a power law involved. The last oil embargo it was 35%. We'll have to see, but with the U.S. conducting unannounced military maneuvers off the coast of Venezuela, we seem to be thinking something, don't we? <Other than liberals rejoicing> Ouch. So, if we think that getting off our oil habit is a matter of national security that has been delayed by oil interests for the last 30 years, we're not patriotic. I see. That's the mindset of oilmen? <China was not in a position to build an empire.> Good. At least you used past tense. Progress. And why is so important to send every American job over there? Money? Greed? The Chinese are still corrupt and Communists, right? Thought so. <And according to Vladimir Putin> Oh dear, quoting former KGB neo-Stalinists as verification or vindication of failed American intelligence? I'd have to know when, where and why he said that and to what audience to even be able to evaluate that comment. Link please? <WMD's, it's certainly true that Clinton administration officials think they existed:> Now that's weak. I didn't agree with much of Clinton's foreign policy. If he could have been a pedophile traitor that would let GWB off the hook, would it? SO, Clinton was wrong and its okay that GWB made the same error. Maybe GWB should sell some more missile technology to them? Get real. Bad is bad no matter who does it. No WMDs even though they had an "Easter Egg" hunt - rewards for any division finding ANYTHING to justify the war. We had warnings about 9/11, which we ignored. Bush was either surrounded by incompetents or was complicit (check any factual 9/11 chronology - but check quick because this Administration is closing every source as quickly as they can, including reclassifying documents that are up to 50 years old. ) Link: information lockdown news.bbc.co.uk democrats.reform.house.gov cbsnews.com There's more if you care... Isn't it interesting that the current president is so afraid of appearing weak that he creates an out-of-camera free speech zone. Violations of this zone (holding a placard, for instance) produce a 6 month jail term! We are getting set to have another period where the line between government and business is blurred so badly as to be no line at all. There is plenty of house cleaning to be done here. We can't even find out what Cheney was talking to Enron about because of "Executive Privilege". This is just wrong, and all those people who wanted to impeach Clinton because he lied about his sex life should be hanging their heads in shame unless they are so busy getting wealthy, they don't care.