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To: tejek who wrote (226048)	3/24/2005 2:38:19 AM
From: Taro	Respond to of 1574683

Ted, you finally convinced me, let's kill her. Not by starvation but by any other human means at our disposal. We learned a great lot recently from the US government lethal injection program. Taro

To: tejek who wrote (226048)	3/24/2005 10:46:35 AM
From: Dan B.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574683

Re: "If you have seen such a video, and I suspect you haven't" You'd be wrong. It aired the other day with sound, one time. If it mislead me by some means I'm unaware of, I can't help that, but it was SO collaborative of all the testimony of a couple of nurses which I've heard since, that I'm very inclined to believe there is or has been, awareness in this woman Terri. I've been wondering ever since why they wouldn't play that scene, with sound, again and again. But indeed it only aired once, with sound, to date, to my knowledge. At the time they'd been replaying video from various years back to back as part of a discussion. Re: "Look again.........her eyes go back and forth randomly." Yes, there is such "random" movement, but look again, she follows the balloon in the meantime, overall. There is testimony that she has followed nurses walking through her room, ect. The testimony is highly credible, IMO. RE: "it would seem her face is frozen in that expression." Actually, I recall seeing the expression brighten considerably, and testimony backs that up. It might be interesting to know if she brightens up like that at random when left alone in her room. But even if so, it proves nothing about what awareness she may have inside. Re: ""These are responses vegetables simply don't have," I agree......and it looks like she doesn't have them" I guess we disagree as to what it looks like. Clearly, caregivers and family much closer to her than us, have seen it my way (testimony that it isn't possible aside). If she doesn't have real responses, however, and truly is vegetative with no personal awareness or pain, then there is less reason to honor her purported wish to die than if whe were aware and bored and suffering in her inability to prove "I'm in here." By the by, I didn't characterize the degree to which I may feel haunted, I responded to a person who'd said he felt haunted when thinking of the terrible condition Terri is in (i.e., to him like to you I gather, feeling no pain and cognizant of nothing). I simply suggested a possibly reality which Terri MAY be living, which holds much MORE potential to haunt anyone when thinking of it, than what he said haunts him. To answer your question though, wouldn't any decent normal human feel bad or "haunted (again, the word chosen by the fellow to whom I responded)" when thinking of an innocent man being executed? Same goes for me, whatever the semantics of, and/or words used to describe it, naturally. I don't know why you are so sure feeding Terri is such a grave violation when it is NOT well established what her wishes are. I'd have to assume I know her wishes to agree with you, and I KNOW neither of us knows what her wishes were/are. Re: "So then, why do you think she will notice when they don't feed her?" I didn't say that at all. You are therefore misrepresenting me here. If she is numb to pain, she won't feel the tube going in or out. I know IF she has cognizance, she'll notice her own weakening, and perhaps she hears and understands what is happening to her. I know IF she has cognizance, she may or may not be glad to die. If she has cognizance, and being pain free, she may be happy to live on, or bored to tears and want to die. If I were cognizant and pain free, I want to live on in hopes of a recovery, as the will to live is strong. Dan B.