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To: GST who wrote (159870)	3/31/2005 10:03:59 AM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"Good. But this growth seems more inhibited than helped by the chaotic and inefficient system of government in India." And in china its follow the govt lead or find yourself in hot water. Perhaps here in the US, you and Krugman can take over the running of the economy from the pols--you can follow the chinese model because you like them are always right.

To: GST who wrote (159870)	3/31/2005 11:32:27 AM
From: Satish C. Shah	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Are we talking consistently on the same subject? What happened to caste system issues you raised in your earlier post? You said in your your earlier post. >The dominant aspect of Indian life is the caste system -- and it remains as a ball and chain holding India back from ever achieving more than a fraction of its potential. We are not in sync with India on the major issues of social structure and mobility. On the other hand, China is a far more inclusive and egalitarian society - values with which we are very much in sync. Compared to India, the US is far closer in core values to China. And China is far more likely to mobilize the entirety of its human capabilities as opposed to India, where the caste system keeps them locked in a class structure that frustrates any attempt at broad, inclusive social and economic development< From a State Dept. memo about attitudes about China and India. "The United States has undertaken a transformation in its bilateral relationship with India based on a conviction that U.S. interests require a strong relationship with India.We are the two largest democracies, committed to political freedom protected by representative government. India is moving toward greater economic freedom as well.We have a common interest in the free flow of commerce, including through the vital sea lanes of the Indian Ocean. Finally, we share an interest in fighting terrorism and in creating a strategically stable Asia. Differences remain, including over the development of India’s nuclear and missile programs, and the pace of India’s economic reforms. But while in the past these concerns may have dominated our thinking about India, today we start with a view of India as a growing world power with which we have common strategic interests. Through a strong partnership with India, we can best address any differences and shape a dynamic future. The United States relationship with China is an important part of our strategy to promote a stable, peaceful, and prosperous Asia-Pacific region.We welcome the emergence of a strong, peaceful, and prosperous China. The democratic development of China is crucial to that future. Yet, a quarter century after beginning the process of shedding the worst features of the Communist legacy, China’s leaders have not yet made the next series of fundamental choices about the character of their state. In pursuing advanced military capabilities that can threaten its neighbors in the Asia-Pacific region, China is following an outdated path that, in the end, will hamper its own pursuit of national greatness. In time, China will find that social and political freedom is the only source of that greatness. The United States seeks a constructive relationship with a changing China.We already cooperate well where our interests overlap, including the current war on terrorism and in promoting stability on the Korean peninsula. Likewise, we have coordinated on the future of Afghanistan and have initiated a comprehensive dialogue on counterterrorism and similar transitional concerns. Shared health and environmental threats, such as the spread of HIV/AIDS, challenge us to promote jointly the welfare of our citizens. Addressing these transnational threats will challenge China to become more open with information, promote the development of civil society, and enhance individual human rights. China has begun to take the road to political openness, permitting many personal freedoms and conducting village-level elections, yet remains strongly committed to national one-party rule by the Communist Party. To make that nation truly accountable to its citizen’s needs and aspirations, however, much work remains to be done. Only by allowing the Chinese people to think, assemble, and worship freely can China reach its full potential. Our important trade relationship will benefit from China’s entry into the World Trade Organization, which will create more export opportunities and ultimately more jobs for American farmers, workers, and companies. China is our fourth largest trading partner, with over $100 billion in annual two-way trade. The power of market principles and the WTO’s requirements for transparency and accountability will advance openness and the rule of law in China to help establish basic protections for commerce and for citizens. There are, however, other areas in which we have profound disagreements. Our commitment to the self-defense of Taiwan under the Taiwan Relations Act is one. Human rights is another.We expect China to adhere to its nonproliferation commitments.We will work to narrow differences where they exist, but not allow them to preclude cooperation where we agree." www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/wh/15429.htm