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To: alan w who wrote (3204)	4/7/2005 9:32:07 AM
From: gregor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 5569

chazaq. Alan . There are 17 references below and only in 7 is there a reference that God hardened Pharaoh's heart. I am only researching your word...chazaq.. and the literal base of the word goes back to A PRIMITIVE ROOT. This is my interpretation. The primitive root of Pharaoh's heart was to be hard against God. The Egyptian elite ruling class hated and debased the nomadic, sheppard, culture of the Hebrews, and hated their God, and God's people. Pharaoh said he knew not this God of the Hebrews and had no knowledge of him. As I have maintained all along God accentuated what at its base and core and ROOT was already in Pharaoh's heart. God did not put it there nor predestine Pharaoh to judgement. The root of destruction was already in Pharaoh's heart. Just as the original sin of Adam is carried down to every generation so to this day God is "hardening" the heart of sinners. Notice in the first verses, earlier in the verses of Exodus it says Pharaoh hardened his own heart. Then in a trend, the latter verses say God hardened Pharaoh's heart. Do you not see the trend. So to this day. Earlier in a sinners life God will gently lead or try to lead a sinner to repentance. Then as a sinner's life progresses God will "harden' the heart or accentuate what is already there as a wake up call to the sinner that his wait and see attitude will not last forever. God will get a sinner to hate and despise Him more and more and to resist the Holy things of God more and more. A person will get more critical of God and loath Christians more and more and make all sorts of false accusations against the Christians and hate and lie and become more dishonest. Why does God then initiate a process that accentuates what is already hardness in that person's heart. He wants to call that person to repentence. He wants to have that person do a reality check and think to themselves, it must be me . I must be the one screwed up here. Sadly. Most sinners never come to the realization they need a savoir. I may be blowing hot air off to you. Alan I am as firmly convinced I am right as I am sure you are. We continue to be totally opposite on this issue. However if I held your belief then why would it be necessary for me to witness to others? God hardens those who he would and saves those he predestines. So why does he even need a church.? Lexicons - 7 Greek · pwro/w - hardened · sklhru/nw - becoming hardened, hardened Hebrew · dbk - hardened · dbk - hardened · h#q - hardened · qzx - hardened · um) - hardened Ex 7:13 - [In Context\|Read Chapter\|Original Hebrew] Yet Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he did not listen to them, as the LORD had said. Ex 7:22 - [In Context\|Read Chapter\|Original Hebrew] But the magicians of Egypt did the same with their secret arts; and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he did not listen to them, as the LORD had said. Ex 8:15 - [In Context\|Read Chapter\|Original Hebrew] But when Pharaoh saw that there was relief, he hardened his heart and did not listen to them, as the LORD had said. Ex 8:19 - [In Context\|Read Chapter\|Original Hebrew] Then the magicians said to Pharaoh, "This is the finger of God." But Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he did not listen to them, as the LORD had said. Ex 8:32 - [In Context\|Read Chapter\|Original Hebrew] But Pharaoh hardened his heart this time also, and he did not let the people go. Ex 9:7 - [In Context\|Read Chapter\|Original Hebrew] Pharaoh sent, and behold, there was not even one of the livestock of Israel dead. But the heart of Pharaoh was hardened, and he did not let the people go. Ex 9:12 - [In Context\|Read Chapter\|Original Hebrew] And the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he did not listen to them, just as the LORD had spoken to Moses. Ex 9:34 - [In Context\|Read Chapter\|Original Hebrew] But when Pharaoh saw that the rain and the hail and the thunder had ceased, he sinned again and hardened his heart, he and his servants. Ex 9:35 - [In Context\|Read Chapter\|Original Hebrew] Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he did not let the sons of Israel go, just as the LORD had spoken through Moses. Ex 10:1 - [In Context\|Read Chapter\|Original Hebrew] Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go to Pharaoh, for I have hardened his heart and the heart of his servants, that I may perform these signs of Mine among them, Ex 10:20 - [In Context\|Read Chapter\|Original Hebrew] But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he did not let the sons of Israel go. Ex 10:27 - [In Context\|Read Chapter\|Original Hebrew] But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he was not willing to let them go. Ex 11:10 - [In Context\|Read Chapter\|Original Hebrew] Moses and Aaron performed all these wonders before Pharaoh; yet the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he did not let the sons of Israel go out of his land. Ex 14:8 - [In Context\|Read Chapter\|Original Hebrew] The LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, king of Egypt, and he chased after the sons of Israel as the sons of Israel were going out boldly. De 2:30 - [In Context\|Read Chapter\|Original Hebrew] "But Sihon king of Heshbon was not willing for us to pass through his land; for the LORD your God hardened his spirit and made his heart obstinate, in order to deliver him into your hand, as {he is} today. 1Sa 6:6 - [In Context\|Read Chapter\|Original Hebrew] "Why then do you harden your hearts as the Egyptians and Pharaoh hardened their hearts? When He had severely dealt with them, did they not allow the people to go, and they departed? 2Ch 36:13 - [In Context\|Read Chapter\|Original Hebrew] He also rebelled against King Nebuchadnezzar who had made him swear {allegiance} by God. But he stiffened his neck and hardened his heart against turning to the LORD God of Israel.

To: alan w who wrote (3204)	4/7/2005 2:51:58 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 5569

2 Thessalonians, chapter 2 "8": And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: "9": Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, "10": And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. "11": And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: "12": That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness "7": For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. .