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To: chowder who wrote (23007)4/10/2005 9:18:44 AM
From: kodiak_bull  Respond to of 23153
 
DB:

I thought I'd reprint this post of yours from BDBBR and comment on it in the next post. There are so many posts over there that I don't believe this note of yours received its just attention:

To: quehubo who wrote (41608) 4/9/2005 5:25:37 PM
From: dabum3 Read Replies (2) of 41637

Que,

I have taken the chart you submitted and changed the style to show the money flow indicator in bar form, to provide a better perspective of what's going on.

I'm not predicting price movement here. All I'm looking for is clues to help determine if now is a better time to buy or sell, based on the odds.

If one were to look at the weekly volume bars, the selling weeks are seeing more volume than the buying weeks. The first bearish clue.

What has caught my eye though, is the longer term money flows. Money flows are now down to the point where they were, prior to the parabolic move. These are the worst money flow readings since Sept 04.

Price usually follows the money. Money flows are suggesting distribution. The distribution is somewhat hidden from most eyes but, it is there none the less. Since this is a weekly chart, the indicator carries more weight because it has had a longer time to generate than on a daily chart.

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Let's look at it from another perspective.

This next chart will have an indicator called MS (Money Stream) and is shown in the lower window. MS is also applied to a 20 week moving average. We can see from this chart that money stream is not only well below the 20 week moving average, it has fallen to the bottom of the chart.

Technicians are taught to look for divergences and this is one nasty looking negative divergence. At a time when price was testing the high, money flows are not confirming, they are at new lows. Another bearish clue.

The middle window has an indicator that measures volume, it's called TSV (Time Segmented Volume). It takes volume patterns over the number of days selected, in this case I am using a 31 day time frame, hence the TSV31 reading, and applies those volume patterns to a moving average. And in this case, I am using a 20 week moving average. (TSV31 is a longer term view for money flows. In my short term trading I use TSV2 which measures 2 day segments and applies it to a moving average. I am using 31 day segments above. That should have more significance for longer term investors.)

Volume patterns are now below the moving average and are also forming another negative diveregence. The volume indicator was much higher 8 weeks ago than it is when price was at the same level this past week. Another bearish clue.

When professional traders see that the indicators ARE NOT confirming price action, they start to lock in profits. The chart is clearly showing this.

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When looking at both of those charts, I have to wonder how can the OIH break out to new highs if it doesn't have the money flows to support such a move?

With the indicators shown in those charts, if we see price close below the 20 week moving average, that would be a significant bear signal considering how strong that support line has been since Sept 04.

Meanwhile, in dealing with the here and now, and trying to determine a game plan, here's what we have.

On the bear side.

1. OIH failed to break out to a new high.

2. Money flows very negative.

3. More selling volume on down weeks than buying volume on up weeks.

4. Negative diveregences in the indicators. They are not supporting or confirming higher prices.

On the bull side.

1. Still above the 20 week moving average.

dabum



To: chowder who wrote (23007)4/10/2005 9:19:02 AM
From: kodiak_bull  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 23153
 
The previous post I found important not just for its analysis of OIH but for the WAY it approaches the price, volume and time data presented in charts. The analysis is good but I think those who are interested in the proper application of TA might want to think about the analysis itself, how it is expressed and limited by language, and how it might be compared to local issues (a city and county's population growth, for example) we might be more familiar with.

Too many people try to use TA to predict (or smugly criticize TA for failing to predict)something that will happen in the future; this is futile.

Note that all of DB's statements about the data are in present tense, and they refer to specific, verifiable data: "Money flows are now down to the point where they were . . ." "Money flows are suggesting distribution" . . . "Volume patterns are now below the moving average and are also forming another negative diveregence."

This is a key to proper analysis, focusing on the here and now and restraining oneself from projecting into the future along the lines of "If A is happening, then B will happen."

In essense, what DB is saying is the opposite of a prediction, it is a sort of counter-prediction: "In order to go long or believe the bullish scenario on this ticker, certain conditions should exist in the recent past and present. I don't see them, in fact opposite conditions actually exist and are intensifying. Therefore, this is, now, neither a bullish nor a neutral situation. If I want to trade this, then I must open my eyes to these facts (facts!) and not try to see what I want to see or believe stories I want to believe."

Why people find this concept so difficult to grasp in TA is always surprising to me. Let's suppose we have a medium sized city, Monroeville, in Monroe County. Now, our task, as demographers, is to come to terms with population growth/stagnation/shrinkage so that as city planners we can be ready for demand for new schools, streets, public services, etc. We have a lot of data from the last 100 years at our disposal: birth rates, voter registration, county tax records, census data as to population, city planning development applications, etc.

Now if population growth in Monroe County were financial analysis, we could have a division between FA and TA.

The FA "stories" would have positive things like 1) we have a charismatic new mayor and city council who are pro business and are on record as wanting to bring in industry 2) our local college was recently written up in Newsweek as one of the top small colleges in the country, so that will attract more students 3) one of the professors recently patented some laser technology and has started a company (with 6 employees) 4) last year we raised more money in property taxes than ever before 5) the weakening dollar should be great for the Monroe Widget Factory, which has always wanted to export widgets.

On the negative side we have 1) the interstate passed Monroe by 50 years ago 2) Monroe is in the midwest in a manufacturing and tech backwater 3) small colleges are the past, state universities are the future 4) one of the two accounting firms in town went belly up last year.

As you can imagine, trying to figure out whether Monroe's population will grow, stagnate or decline based on these "stories" is pretty much impossible.

But if your TA tells you that population grew by 2% a year for 1905 to 1945, then by 1% a year from 1945 to 1975, was zero% for 1975-1992, and has declined by 0.3% since 1993, you might have some useable information. If development applications have fallen off in the last two years, that might tell you something more. Look at county records for tax defaults, school registrations, etc.

You could very easily make solid, dependable graphs (pie charts, bar charts, "stock" like charts with oscillators) from the TA information, and that information would give you a pretty good idea of strength of trend. Would it predict that in 2008 Monroe would have a population of 268,520? No. But if somebody wanted to invest in a new mall in town on the basis that the new mayor was "pro-business" or that the professor's startup could become the next Microsoft, based on these data and charts, it would not be a prudent choice.

The TA analysis would be something like: population is stable to shrinking and it has been that way since 1975. There are no indications in census data, voter registration or any other verfiable data we have that this trend is likely to change and suddenly reverse. On the contrary, it is more likely that Monroe's slightly negative population rate could intensify to larger negative numbers.

Conclusion: manage all budgets and approvals for a stable to shrinking population. Do not budget more positions in police and fire, do not build new schools in outlying areas.

If Monroe were a stock you would definitely be out of it, and perhaps thinking about selling naked calls on it.

Kb