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To: RetiredNow who wrote (67511)	4/11/2005 7:24:31 AM
From: GVTucker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 77400

mindmeld, RE: My programmers work 12 hour days, alot of time on weekends, carry pagers and cellphones so we can reach them at any time of the night the mission critical applications go down, we always seem to be on a death march to hit some executive mandated deadline, and the engineers mostly have M.S. degrees in Computer Science or Electrical Engineering. Sounds a lot like a teacher's job.

To: RetiredNow who wrote (67511)	4/11/2005 9:33:17 AM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 77400

Wow. I think you have a Hollywood idea of what programmers do. My programmers work 12 hour days, alot of time on weekends, carry pagers and cellphones so we can reach them at any time of the night the mission critical applications go down, we always seem to be on a death march to hit some executive mandated deadline, and the engineers mostly have M.S. degrees in Computer Science or Electrical Engineering. No, I was remembering back from my own programmer days in '84-'86. It was pretty cushy work, especially when compared to the lower paying jobs such as teaching a class or manning an assembly line. I've done both of those for a bit since then, and would say programming is less demanding than them any day. If your programmers work 12 hours days, on weekends, have to carry pagers and are constantly on a death march to meet deadline, then I hate to say it, but your group is probably terrible inefficient! No reason you should be working in your career for 10+ (much less 3+) years and not been able to overcome the problems that require those draconian measures.

To: RetiredNow who wrote (67511)	4/11/2005 12:20:53 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 77400

I think Lizzie's coming from the school of thought where they believe that programmers have a God given right to be immune to market dynamics. WRONG- I'm a realist. I know that if the US opened up a visa program for say, doctors- the profession as far as the US being a haven for new research etc would die for doctors. Same for teachers or any profession. And I also know, that if your economy rests on a bunch of new industries, and the optimism in those new industries is largely fueled by job opportunities, and you take those away... the optimism goes, and when the optimism goes, THE STOCK MARKET GOES. Still think this is a bull market people? Its not all oil btw. It is the fact that the middle class is seeing their wages erode, and the oil problem is certainly exacerbating it. But even if we didn't have the oil problems, this would STILL be a bear market.