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To: RetiredNow who wrote (67538)	4/11/2005 8:20:54 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 77400

We are the best debtors... That's sort of an industry.

To: RetiredNow who wrote (67538)	4/11/2005 9:50:34 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 77400

well, in my view people are people all over the world so it is naive to say that Americans are "better" at something just because they were born if if you offer the same training to offshore workers. This is just common sense. The reason silicon valley engineers were better for so long is because all the knowledge base was here. You ship the knowledge offshore and offshore engineers are better. Well duh. The "head in the sand" attitude of all these overpaid CEOs on this matter really bugs me. Carly Fiorina for example, she had opportunities because she lived in the USA- in general terms she could have very easily been replaced, but was not. She doesn't want to offer the same opportunites to the up-and-coming younger workers than SHE had. Gross really.

To: RetiredNow who wrote (67538)	4/12/2005 4:04:37 AM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 77400

I don't see any industry that we are the best in anymore, except biotech. Do you? America is the undisputed worldwide leader in entertainment. Hollywood, baby! And the US is completely dominant in what I'll call very hi-tech. Intel, MSFT, AMAT and QCOM have near monopolies in PCs, semiconductor manufacturing and wireless communications. I can't think of a single foreign company that dominates their area of technology as those four do their area. Lizzie is just depressed that low-tech (programming C++) is getting commoditized.

To: RetiredNow who wrote (67538)	4/12/2005 1:01:33 PM
From: pfalk	Respond to of 77400

Mindmeld said: I don't see any industry that we are the best in anymore, except biotech. Do you? Actually we ARE much better at engineering than the Indians (in India) or the Chinese (in China). I've led several teams where part of the work was done here in Silicon Valley and part done in India. The engineering team in Silicon Valley (often comprised on Indians and Chinese) were always faster and their output was always easier to use for the end user. The sad part with the outsourcing is that IT DOESN'T PAY! It's because the bean-counters don't have the ability to measure things like Software Quality (User Interface) and Probable Schedule Slippage, but they CAN measure hourly wage, and there outsourcing makes sense. This trend of outsourcing will end when we gain visibility into this problem, but by then we will have lost the US edge, because we will have allowed a lot of new competitors to rise, partially due to IP “leakage” and partially due to having lost the marketing momentum. Sad! Peter