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To: TimF who wrote (229433)	4/16/2005 5:20:26 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573249

Re: people in this country being increasing alienated from the government. The left is probably increasingly alienated. The Republicans often felt alienated by Clinton. In general things have become more partisan for the last several decades so who ever isn't in power is likely to feel more alienated than they where in the past. Maybe so but this administration is much farther right than Clinton was left. there has been enough evidence cited repeatedly that acts were committed in Guat. and Afghanistan that violate the Conventions And there where American acts against the conventions in Vietnam, Korea, World War I, and just about every war since the conventions where signed. I see..........so that makes it okay. Sorry I brought it up. As for the current Iraq/Afghanistan/Cuba situation for sure you have at some severe problems, some might argue that there has been a breakdown in dicipline and wide spread abuses (for which Rumsfeld would have some responsibility) but that would be a failure (even if it is potentially a severe one) rather than a mater of policy. But saying things are beyond that to where obvious torture is expressly ordered or condoned is a leap. The leap could turn out to be true but at this point it isn't supported. Torture has been found in every imprisonment of Afghans or Iraqis. In several instances, the torture was so bad that had the prisoner lived their arms and/or legs would have had to been amputated. How can you possibly say that torture as SOP is not supported? In fact, there is growing evidence that it was SOP ordered from the top. You want to play semantics when there are more important things to discuss. You apparently don't know what playing semantics means. Neither saying "there is nothing wrong with withdrawing from a treaty that includes a provision for withdrawal", nor talking about how withdrawing from a treaty that has no provision for withdraw is going against your agreement and going back on your word and is not equivalent to the 1st situation, is a semantic argument. It is not an argument based on the words used, but based on ideas, other words would work just as well I am not tying things to the words. It is a substantive argument not a semantic one. You are of course free to disagree with the substance of the argument. My original argument was that we are becoming more isolated in the world due to our withdrawal from global commitments. You turned that into a discussion of whether we violated a treaty or not because there was or wasn't a withdrawal clause. Who gives a flying crap? With or without an enabling clause, the fact still stands that the US is becoming isolated from the rest of the world. And the fact still stands that's the tack the Nazis took with Germany prior to the start of WW II. ted