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To: RealMuLan who wrote (27692)	4/17/2005 5:35:21 PM
From: shades	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116555

"Chinese would have felt much better;" Madonna once sang sad is the lover whose happiness depends on the permission of another - justifying her love. I thought Chen put it simply enough, happiness from within - if you are going to let external sources determine your feelings - you are a slave and always shall be. The yanks came down and kicked my ancestors ass in the civil war, burned thier plantations, stole thier property, if I let that determine my feelings I would be just as blind with emotion as I see these chinese who beat up on japanese students for nothing those students did but some government entity in a room far away a long time ago - how sad. It is the same crap of slaves descendants asking me to pay them money, I never did anything to them, why should I give them money for something people a long time ago did to other people - stupidity. I don't understand silly people that ask others to feel unjustified guilt and then when they don't they go beat up 3 students - what foolishness - what did those 3 students have to do with decades old atrocities? Martin Luther King said NON VIOLENT resistance, not turning over cars, blowing up stores and beating up students. That was more the blank panthers expertise - and if that is what your nation is FEELING, they are whacked.

To: RealMuLan who wrote (27692)	4/17/2005 8:41:57 PM
From: seventh_son	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 116555

>if Japanese had compensated China huge amount of money, Chinese would have felt much better; I would not fault the Japanese public in general for what happened during the war. They were lied to, brainwashed, starved, and abused by the ruling elite who turned them into pawns in their war machine. And this war machine, in a way, was merely a twisted emulation of earlier European and American imperialism. America had annexed Hawaii, bloodily repressed the Philippines and claimed many other territories in the Pacific, then intended on keeping Japan from gaining access to the resources that they were draining from Pacific countries. The Japanese thought, if anyone is going to dominate the Pacific, why shouldn't it be us and not the Americans and Europeans? Before WWII ended, 124,000 mostly civilians had been burned alive in Tokyo by massive firebombing in one fateful night. 64,000 more died in Hiroshima and 39,000 died in Nagasaki within four months of their bombings. Then the occupying Americans, either due to a deal with the devil or total naivity ended up putting on trial only a tiny percentage of the Japanese war criminal elite; most of the rest left much enriched by the war and in positions of business control and later political power. Untold plundered Asian wealth was left hidden in the basement of the Imperial Palace, the giant business conglomerates were as wealthy as ever, and the world's countries were forced by the Americans, not the Japanese, to sign a peace treaty that mostly absolved Japan from reparations by stating that "the resources of Japan are not presently sufficient...to make complete reparation...". So, in general the Japanese public were very much victims in the war along with everyone else, and the Americans were by no means noble in their actions before, during or after the war. As far as genocides go, the following link helps put things in perspective: users.erols.com