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To: Grainne who wrote (101501)	4/21/2005 8:18:06 PM
From: Mac Con Ulaidh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

they get all in a snit, don't they? <eom>

To: Grainne who wrote (101501)	4/21/2005 8:28:51 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I think you need to stress you are not trying to compare humans to animals except in terms of suffering and pain- and that's a logical thing to do, since animals suffer pretty much the way people do (neurologically)(or that one type of person is like a chicken while another is not- it's obvious to me you don't mean Jews are like chickens, but rather that ALL human life is precious, and we should try to think of animal life as precious as well)- the weird stuff that has been posted to you regarding hate crimes is a complete misconstruction of what you have posted- it is obvious that you wish to raise the level of treatment of animals to a level closer to the way we treat humans. Obviously we think a holocaust with human victims is horrible- your point is that a holocaust of animal victims is equally terrible. I think the word red herring was coined for a departure like the "hate crime" highway. Once you see the red herring, don't bother to argue with it. Although we must respect the red herring as the wonderful beautiful form of animal life it is, there is nothing to be gained in trying to talk it out of its position. (and just let me add that the red herring refers to the idea that wanting to bring awareness to a holocaust of animals killed for meat, somehow lessens the tragedy of the Nazi atrocities- and does not refer to any person- it's all about the idea...)

To: Grainne who wrote (101501)	4/21/2005 10:47:30 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Interesting article on diet: Hot dogs raise risk of pancreatic cancer-study 20 Apr 2005 18:37:28 GMT Source: Reuters LOS ANGELES, April 20 (Reuters) - A diet containing lots of processed meats, like hot dogs and sausages, raises the risk of pancreatic cancer, according to a large multiethnic study unveiled on Wednesday. The researchers found that heavy consumers of processed meats -- 40 grams a day or more -- were 67 percent more likely to develop cancer of the pancreas than study participants with the lowest intake. In addition, a diet rich in pork and red meat -- 70 grams a day or more -- also increased pancreatic cancer risk by about 50 percent, according to the study. Consumption of poultry, fish, dairy products and eggs showed no link to pancreatic cancer risk, nor did overall intake of total fat, saturated fat, or cholesterol. "The results suggest that carcinogenic substances related to meat preparation, rather than their inherent fat or cholesterol content, might be responsible ...," said Dr. Ute Nothlings, the study's lead investigator from the Cancer Research Center at the University of Hawaii in Honolulu. She noted, however, that the study did not examine cooking methods and her team is now working to collect that data. Meat consumption has been linked to pancreatic cancer in the past, but study results have been inconsistent. This seven-year study examined the relationship between diet and pancreatic cancer in 190,545 men and women of African-American, Japanese-American, Caucasian, Latino and Native Hawaiian descent. "An analysis of fat and saturated fat intake showed a significant increase in risk for fats from meat, but not from dairy products, indicating that fat and saturated fat are not likely to contribute to the underlying carcinogenic mechanism," Nothlings said. She suggested that chemical reactions that occur during the preparation of processed meats might be responsible for the association. The results were reported a meeting of the American Association for Cancer Research in Anaheim, California.