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To: SilentZ who wrote (230491)	4/24/2005 12:19:38 AM
From: 10K a day	Respond to of 1573695

i'm really turned off by amway salesmen..

To: SilentZ who wrote (230491)	4/24/2005 12:23:39 AM
From: 10K a day	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1573695

i guess i'm just intolerant of people who are intolerant.

To: SilentZ who wrote (230491)	4/24/2005 2:43:34 AM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1573695

Z, Well, you know, this is what's going to happen if religion becomes more and more a public thing -- its underlying tenets are going to be scrutinized, and I don't think it can hold up. a) Post-modernism is desperately trying to make religion more of a "private thing." Not a good thing if you want religion to be exposed to public scrutiny. b) Most Americans still believe in God. I'd wager most Europeans do as well, or at least in the supernatural. That points to a deep spiritual need within humans, even among those living in the post-modern world. c) Atheism has offered nothing but false promises of freedom and enlightment. What it actually leads to is either the worst horrors mankind could ever imagine, or the depressive state of nihilism and meaninglessness. Both outcomes are described by Nietzsche as "The Will to Power" and "The Will to Nihilism," respectively. Tenchusatsu

To: SilentZ who wrote (230491)	4/24/2005 2:28:35 PM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1573695

Well, you know, this is what's going to happen if religion becomes more and more a public thing -- its underlying tenets are going to be scrutinized, and I don't think it can hold up. I think the first thing any of us has to do is separate human spirituality from religion. Religion is a man made thing with all of man's imperfections. Both Christianity and Islam have had a violent history and an inconsistent spirituality. The Crusades, the Inquisition etc are more representative of a warring nation state than of a pious religion. Its seems only the Jews and maybe the Buddhists have remained fairly loyal to those tenets of their religions that call for peace and evenhandedness [although the Israelis appear to be testing that concept with the power they've amassed in Israel]. So I think its better to look at man's spirituality, [and there is evidence, he does have one], and try to determine from whence it is derived. Even someone like Karl Jung who was fairly unorthodox and seemingly detached from religion believed there is something bigger than us.....a sentience beyond our ability to understand that has played a leading role in the creation of the universe. And I tend to agree. However, I don't know what it is and its implications for us as individuals. ted