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To: Gulo who wrote (4732)	4/24/2005 12:34:06 PM
From: teevee	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 37670

I can't emphasize enough how vehemently I disagree with you on the qualities of Pierre Trudeau as a Prime Minister. He was an unmitigated disaster for the Canadian economy, Canadian unity and the quality of life in this country. Never mind that he set us back decades in development by screwing up the industrial regulatory regime and by sending us on a trajectory of ever-spiralling debt by convincing Canadians that there was no cost to federal handouts. His impact on the very fabric of Canadian Society was that people lost the ability, and even the desire, to think and fend for themselves. The entitlement mentality that drags us down to this day, a quarter century after the peak of his power, can be directly attributed to his welfare-state socialist agenda. He was to Canada what Chavez is to Venezuela today. Why can't you Easterners have any sympathy for the thousands upon thousands of bankruptcies he caused in the West? Why can't you see that his superficial benevolence was actually a manifestation of the central planning and collectivism that destroyed the social fabric, as well as the economies, of Russia and Eastern Europe? He was no Stalin - he was too well read for that - but his ambition and political ruthlessness was unprecedented in this country. Sure, he was a clever little communist, but all the craftiness in the world doesn't justify the regard in which Eastern Canadians hold him. Like any powerful man, he had some good quotes: "The government does not belong in the bedrooms of the nation" bit was one. Good quotes and bad policy still leaves you with bad policy. Well said, but just watch Paul Martin propose a deal with the ND's and set Canada back another 20 years. The compromise Martin proposes to the NDs will really be the basis of the Liberal election platform leading to another Liberal majority government.

To: Gulo who wrote (4732)	4/24/2005 1:33:22 PM
From: SofaSpud	Respond to of 37670

Well said. I think this is one where we're in accord. Message 14477959

To: Gulo who wrote (4732)	4/24/2005 2:53:58 PM
From: DeplorableIrredeemableRedneck	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 37670

Didn't Trudeau attend that Fabian Socialist institution, the London School of Economics?

To: Gulo who wrote (4732)	4/24/2005 3:08:32 PM
From: marcos	Respond to of 37670

'No No No Yes No' - remember that? ... the chant of the UIC Ski Team, and a goodly slice of the generation, it was what you answered in the card you sent in every two weeks to collect pogey ... i took a year off once, built a house, the cheques came every two weeks, no problem ... was i looking for work, as the Yes indicated? - well not very hard, and my standards for suitable employment had mysteriously risen .... didn't feel too bad about this, and still don't, as i paid years of hefty taxes before and since .... it was the System handing you a way to beat the System, sort of ... weird, and not healthy overall ... it's a good stout house though, passed it the other day Constant mucking around with the jurisdiction of provinces, the NEP and all, that was another major negative, actually related to the first as that's where he planned to get the cash to fund it ... he consolidated way too much power in the PMO, and it's still there .... he was right on some things, Viet Nam, civil liberty, social liberty ... complex, but net net we could have done a lot better, yes he was the Chávez of the day, in fact they had/have a mutual friend who is still in power .... i never voted for Trudeau, Stanfield was the better man