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To: Seeker of Truth who wrote (62690)	4/25/2005 12:04:40 AM
From: Gib Bogle	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Seeker, my long-distance and very superficial impression is that the Communist state is withering away - not in the way Karl expected, of course. This process of relaxing of it's hold on all power is no doubt proceeding much more slowly than many would wish, but I don't see signs of great discontent within China itself. In my opinion what is happening in China in terms of a social and economic transformation is bloody miraculous. Whether this is by design, by luck, or by the nationwide application of a great deal of common sense is hard to assess, yet.

To: Seeker of Truth who wrote (62690)	4/25/2005 12:12:24 AM
From: Seeker of Truth	Respond to of 74559

By the way I made a silly typo. I meant 1948 to 1952 not 1948 to 2002. The dates make no sense as I originally typed it. Sorry.

To: Seeker of Truth who wrote (62690)	4/25/2005 12:29:13 AM
From: brian h	Respond to of 74559

"""Am I a victim of wishful thinking and are you after all speaking correctly in implying that a leopard never changes his spots? Maybe. I don't insist I have all the facts.""" I will keep my eyes wide open for any sign of CCP change. Up to now, any immigration lift from both Chian and US will result in an immigration flow of "vote with both feet - Jay style" from China to US. I will bet all my net worth with it. Just see the ever increasing mainland Chinese communities in US, Canada, and other counties. I do not need to argue with Jay's "the inevitable" view? Just facts. Time will tell if "a leopard never changes his spots" is true or not. Best, BH

To: Seeker of Truth who wrote (62690)	4/25/2005 2:37:39 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

ST, you have the cart before the horse. Saddam Hussein won elections with 100% of the vote, not just of the young either. Everybody was in favour of Saddam. <In the period, let's say 1948 to 2002, the youth of China were 100 to 1 in favor of the Communists. There was no need for the repressive activities.> In China, everyone was in favour of Mao, Deng and Jiang. Life expectancy, happiness and cash flow were seriously disrupted if one wasn't gung ho for the boss. The repressive activities were absolutely essential and were precisely the cause of the clonesville thinking. Chinese don't all get a brain implant at birth to make them think the same. They can figure out what they had better think, or at least say they think, to avoid undue unpleasantness in their lives. Mqurice

To: Seeker of Truth who wrote (62690)	4/25/2005 3:20:36 AM
From: Snowshoe	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 74559

Hu Tightens Party's Grip On Power Chinese Leader Seen As Limiting Freedoms By Philip P. Pan Washington Post Foreign Service Sunday, April 24, 2005; Page A01 BEIJING -- More than two years after taking office amid uncertainty about his political views, Chinese President Hu Jintao is emerging as an unyielding leader determined to preserve the Communist Party's monopoly on power and willing to impose new limits on speech and other civil liberties to do it, according to party officials, journalists and analysts. Message 21259873