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To: michael97123 who wrote (161000)	4/25/2005 1:28:47 PM
From: marcos	Respond to of 281500

Not everybody knows, or at least not everybody admits to knowing, as evidenced by local content here, and it wasn't all 'Jews', it was zionists, buying into their line that they speak for all jews is to accept one of those 'big lies', isn't it So there's a start on analysing this statement ... later if there was time a person could get going on a definition of 'the land' [note the absence in the statement of precise surveying, let alone title searches] ... also perhaps an examination of its use of the verb 'to steal', beginning maybe with particular attention to the tense chosen There may be little point in spending much time on the use, twice, of the definite article 'the', as there is generally considered to be little exclusivist religio-tribal claptrap inherent in it, per se .... hope that helps .... cheers

To: michael97123 who wrote (161000)	4/25/2005 1:35:23 PM
From: Win Smith	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

What you wrote, and I responded to, was: Well Marcos you succeeded attracting enough miscreants to turn this into a neo-nazi thread where they talk of Jews raping goyim and drinking their blood. What, exactly, does what Nadine and MQ posted have to do with that peculiar assertion? Are you calling Nadine and MQ neo-nazis, perchance? I am, of course, extremely familiar with the odd evidentiary standards of W's faithful, but it still seems a stretch. Sorry to be a dope and everything, I fully understand that words mean things, and what they mean is what true believers want them to mean, but still.

To: michael97123 who wrote (161000)	4/25/2005 2:07:37 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

Yes, Mikey. All histories save the Israeli Revised Version are a lie! en.wikipedia.org Zionism is a political movement among Jews (although supported by some non-Jews and not supported by some Jews) which maintains that the Jewish people constitute a nation and are entitled to a national homeland. Formally founded in 1897, Zionism embraced a variety of opinions in its early years on where that homeland might be established. From 1917 it focused on the establishment of a Jewish national homeland or state in Palestine, the location of the ancient Kingdom of Israel. Since 1948, Zionism has been a movement to support the development and defense of the State of Israel, and to encourage Jews to settle there. Since the Six Day War of 1967, when Israel took control of the West Bank, Gaza, the Golan Heights, and the Sinai Peninsula, the objectives and methods of the Zionist movement and of Israel have come under criticism. The Arab world opposed the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine from the outset, but during the course of the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians since 1967, the legitimacy of Israel, and thus of Zionism, has been questioned in the wider world. Since the breakdown of the Oslo Accords in 2001, attacks on Zionism in media, intellectual and political circles, particularly in Europe, have reached new levels of intensity. This article is intended to be a survey of the history and objectives of the Zionist movement, not a history of Israel or of the Arab-Israeli conflict. The history of the various forms of opposition to Zionism is discussed at the article Anti-Zionism. Of course, all these people are "neo-Nazis"!