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To: RealMuLan who wrote (62892)	4/27/2005 5:54:04 PM
From: 8bits	Respond to of 74559

"Mao has NOT invented centralized gov. in China. Qin ShiHuang Di in 200BC invented that." Well I don't think he invented it but he did apply it to China but that's not what Oblomov said: "centralized, "scientific" economic planning was possible and was a better way to organize human affairs than traditional arrangements." The basis of 20th century Marixsm applied in various countries (although modified in each country..) was inherently centralized planning and collectivized ownership. There are economists in the US who criticize that the US government has moved into this position to some degree also.

To: RealMuLan who wrote (62892)	4/27/2005 6:42:18 PM
From: Oblomov	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Mulan, how can you deny the truth of the greatest famine in human history, the so-called "three bitter years" (1959-1961) in which 20-40 million people died? Even a well-known Western Maoist sympathizer like WEB DuBois, who visited China during the Great Leap, could not excuse what he saw. Even in the CCP there was dissent over the Great Leap disaster, so Mao launched the Cultural Revolution to purge his enemies such as Wu Han and Peng Zhen. In order to wipe them out, there were massive purges with millions more dying (many of them covered up as suicides or accidents) after being mercilessly tortured. And to this day it is dangerous in the PRC to express criticism of Mao. So I understand your position, and I wish you well.