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To: Moominoid who wrote (62904)	4/27/2005 8:52:28 PM
From: 8bits	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 74559

I think it's higher than 12 million. There was a population decrease of 13.48 million between the years 1959 to 1961. In previous and subsequent years there was a consistent population increase.

To: Moominoid who wrote (62904)	4/28/2005 12:51:41 AM
From: RealMuLan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

You got that right (apparently your Ph.D degree pays here<g>). and by any means, that figure is significantly smaller than what has been circulated currently in the West. Even that figures raised a lot of unresolved issues. I read a Chinese guy did plenty of calculation, and when I have time, I will translate and post it here. According to his calculation, the Chinese population had increased even during those 3 years. For now I can point out one thing, that is there were millions of people left their home town due to famine in those 3 years, and they were counted in the 12 million (actually 11.62 million exactly) "dead". But the matter of the fact is: a lot of those people were alive, they were not counted only because they left their hometown. Here is one example from An Hui Province, which was one of the provinces suffered the most during those 3 years. There were 360,000 births in AnHui in 1960, and 2.22 million deaths. However the year end population was >3 million people less. So why is that? The main reason is about 1 million had left their villages and went to neighboring provinces that suffered less of famine. China did not have any migration statistics at that time. But one thing for sure is that few people would stay at home starved themselves to death. The first thing they do would get out. But these out-migrated people, by and large, have become "hidden" population due to the unique Residential Registration system in China. So there is no doubt that a large part of those 11.62 million people have become "uncounted" during those 3 years. And later, many of them returned, so were counted again. If you pay attention to the Crude growth rate bet. 1962-1965, they were unusually high for no reason. As a result, it is reasonable to think that the number bet. 1959-1961 was greatly undercounted. The number of dead was far less than 11.62 million. As I have said, a lot of popular data circulated in the West about CCP and Mao and China in the last 50 years are fabricated. If people decide to believe them, so be it. After staying in this country for so many years, I have realized one thing, is that plenty of people in the US like to be lied to<g>