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To: GST who wrote (161219)	4/28/2005 5:42:38 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

We ARE cutting ourselves off from the rest of the world. We aren't but even if we were it wouldn't matter in this argument. For the third or fourth time, cutting yourself off is not "isolationism" it is "isolation". Desiring to, planning to, and implimenting a plan to, cut off most contact with the rest of the world is isolationism. If you don't want to cut yourself off but your plans back fire and you do cut yourself off your not isolationist. "we are America, and America can do whatever the hell it likes because nobody can stop us" -- that is our foreign policy. Not exactly, but even if it was it would not amount to isolationism. The word simply doesn't mean that. Do we still buy and sell on international markets? Yes. Do we bomb and invade? Yes. Then we are not isolationist by definition. Tim

To: GST who wrote (161219)	4/28/2005 9:09:46 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Isolationism sixty-five years ago meant failing to stand up to the nazis, being 'neutral', with a nod and a wink to overseas friends of Lindbergh, the America Firsters, the Bund What Bush is isolating from the rest of the world is power, the ability to make life and death international decisions for the species, walling all this up into a few back rooms of Washington, thusly isolating the US, for the moment, from the march of human progress ... so your meaning does come across, still it will be mildly confusing to use for this the term 'isolationism', given an entirely different meaning so few decades ago ... opens it up to semantic quibbling ... you need a new term, neocon pretty much sums it up ... how about PNACenturions ... or hispanicise it, pinaquistas, pinaquismo, pináculo being already 'pinnacle' or 'peak', so it's like, 'the peak of arrogance/hubris' .... culo means 'arse', there's that too, maybe you could rip off pináculo whole from the hispanos, who are unlikely to mind ... stay teutonic of course - PeeNACul