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To: Sig who wrote (174790)5/2/2005 1:09:52 AM
From: Sr K  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 176388
 
WPPSS bonds becoming worthless??

I don't think so.

There's a difference between a default (that gets headlines) and something that's worthless (or an investment opportunity).

From notes from the BRK 2003 Annual Meeting:

[According to Of Permanent Value: The Story of Warren Buffett (a wonderful 1,490 page tome for true Berkshire junkies), "Buffett quietly bought $139 million worth of Projects 1, 2, and 3 of Washington Public Power Supply System bonds in 1983 and 1984…Buffett explained how WPPSS had defaulted on $2.2 billion worth of bonds issued to help finance Projects 4 and 5. That stigma stained other projects and Buffett was able to buy the bonds at a steep discount."]

Did 4 and 5 ultimately become worthless?



To: Sig who wrote (174790)5/2/2005 9:48:01 AM
From: John Koligman  Respond to of 176388
 
Sig, I'm sure we can muddle through it, but right now things don't look so well as to the healthcare and retirement future of the working men and women in the US. Wage growth has been pretty stagnant over the past few years, and you basically have an elite group at the top doing extremely well, while others are struggling. Those 1-2k tax cuts Bush likes to talk about for the average family are probably more than eaten up by rising local/state/property taxes, and the inexorable increase in monthly health care costs. Throw in the ever increasing hit from the alternative minimum tax and fuel costs, and it makes it worse. I read an article in the Sunday NY Times that had a graph of how much in future obligations the country has accumulated, they were throwing numbers around in the 40T range, pretty scary. I know it's really a crapshoot trying to look that far ahead, but then again Bush has made a point of showing off that file cabinet that contains the SS IOU's, saying the cash isn't there. Can't trust the government too much, remember the recent senior prescription benefit bill and how the chief actuary was forbidden to talk to congress about how wrong the administration's estimate for the cost of this was? I'm not saying the Dems are any better, but I'm pretty disgusted as to how things work in Washington. The other thing is, if energy is really a national security issue, it should not be too difficult to rapidly cull the low hanging fruit in the way of heavy gas using SUV's and trucks. I'd guess the administration doesn't want to push it though because the two largest US automakers are on shaky ground, and they are structured to make what money they do off vehicles by selling more of those big rigs....

Best regards,
John

PS - I remember that 'lights out in Seattle' billboard well, we had something somewhat similiar in the early 1990's here in NYS when IBM cut back the local workforce from something like 25-30k people to almost half that.