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To: marcos who wrote (161355)	5/3/2005 6:22:05 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

<Theodor Herzel The founder of modern Zionism Herzl stated in his diary “It is essential that the sufferings of Jews.. . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-Semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-Semites shall be our best friends”. (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 16) > I wonder if that is a complete quote, in the right language. The dots don't look like normal punctuation, though they are fashionable now in cyberspace. <Q. Why, then, is Zionism so popular? A. After the terrible destruction of the Second World War, European Jewry had lost many of its great leaders. In addition, there was a sense of confusion that permeated many survivors. The non-Jewish world was anxious to make amends for its passivity during the Holocaust. Hence, the Zionist triumph in 1918. However, a dispassionate reading of Jewish history will yield the conclusion that, since its inception, Zionism was opposed by the overwhelming majority of Torah observant and believing Jews. > 1918? Huh? Maybe they meant 1948. Let's get the details right folks. jewsagainstzionism.com <Q. Surely, now though, the state is a fact. It could only disappear with great loss of Jewish life. A. Surely it only survives with great loss of Jewish life! We know what the state's existence has cost in blood and suffering. The price of its dismantling is unknown. However, we trust that would the Jewish people be true to G-d and His Torah and sincerely sun the philosophy of Zionism, then a peaceful means would be found to dismantle its apparatus.> They are right here - < Q. First things first, why are these excavations taking place? A. The Israeli government has always demonstrated a callous disregard towards the buried remains of our ancestors. Whether using the pretext of road construction or scientific research, they have dug up thousands of graves with impunity through the years. This injured child had been reading from his prayerbook when he was attacked by security guards during protest near Kibbutz Regavim, Holy Land 17 April 2005Q. Why do you describe this as a local problem? A. It is a problem of an individual evil. Of course, this is a matter of grave importance. > This really is a matter of grave importance, said with a straight face. I agree with them. What the heck were they thinking to go for a religious waco state right in the middle of a swarm of mindless Islamo-waco murderous jihadis? They could have bought a good chunk of New Zealand, or perhaps New Hampshire, or somewhere without the baggage and swirling [literally] MADness [swirling around the big rock thing in Mecca]. Though I hasten to add, that swirling can be quite fun, having indulged in some of it myself, though without the mystical incantations. But there it is. Swarms of people born in Israel and "Palestine" and they can't go back where they came from because they are where they came from. I suppose about half of Jewish Israelis were born there. Actually, 1948 to now is nearly 60 years, so I suppose it's much more than half. I suppose about 70% were born there. Google would know. Mqurice