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To: epicure who wrote (103038)	5/4/2005 8:22:14 AM
From: Oral Roberts	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I've never been by there so I can't comment on whether those animals are well cared for or not. I would submit that by just driving by you can't either. I would guess that if they were being mistreated that the granola munchers out there would descend upon the place and put it out of business so I'm just guessing here, but the animals aren't being abused.

To: epicure who wrote (103038)	5/4/2005 12:58:09 PM
From: Alan Smithee	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

I guess its all a matter of perspective. I'd rather focus my outrage on things like the following rather than agonize about cows standing on piles of manure, if that is in fact what they are standing on. IMO, child abuse and neglect is a far larger problem in this country, and is of much greater importance, than whether cows stand on manure piles or carriage horses are not happy or sled dogs occasionally die doing what they were bred to do and enjoy most. 3 Arrested In Another Case Of Zip-Tied Children May 3, 2005 By Michelle Esteban PIERCE COUNTY - A mother, her boyfriend, and their friend were arrested late Monday night after police say they tied up two boys with duct tape and zip ties. Detective Ed Troyer with the Pierce County Sheriff's Department says they got a 911 call just after 8 p.m. from a 15-year-old girl saying her 37-year-old mother, her mother's 30-year-old boyfriend, and another friend, 21, had tied up her 11- and 10-year-old brothers with duct tape and zip ties as a form of punishment. When police arrived at the house in the Parkland-Spanaway area, they say the mother refused to let the deputies in and struggled with them before being arrested. Deputies say they found a small bag of marijuana in the mother's pocket. "This is the first time I've ever heard of anything like this or told anything like this has happened," said David Jackman. "She's a good parent." One of the boys police said was tied up with duct tape and zip ties is Jackman's son. The boy's mother is Jackman's ex-wife. "I can't see her doing that," he added. "I've known her for 15 years." As deputies then entered the house, they say the mother's boyfriend tried to escape by climbing out a second-story window and onto the roof. He was ordered back into the house at gunpoint and was arrested after a struggle with deputies. Turns out, police had been looking for him. The sheriff's department says he was a convicted escapee. Inside the house, deputies found duct tape, zip ties, and socks used to bind the victims' feet and hands, and duct tape used to cover the victims' mouths. Police are investigating whether the alleged punishment was the boyfriend's idea. "I honestly believe in my heart she (the mother) wouldn't intentionally try to hurt the kids or anything like that," Jackman said. But police tell KOMO 4 News the mother resisted arrested and officers had to wrestle their way inside. Police add the woman told them she could punish her kids anyway she wanted. The four children inside the house were placed into protective custody. The three suspects were booked into the Pierce County jail, where they face a myriad of charges from child assault to unlawful imprisonment and resisting arrest.