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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (161435)	5/5/2005 10:04:55 AM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hawk, Chinese will extend the empire as far as they can get away with it. Taiwan was always part of something it seems. It probably belongs as part of china, hopefully when china is free. Nationalists occupied Taiwan and character of the island is chinese. Tibet is a bit different but given where it sits, it reminds me of kurdish predicament. Actually the alternative to a large unified, albeit imperfect china is what happened to the USSR and that is breakaway provinces all over the place. Manchuria, Inner Mongolia, Uigher province and i am sure other areas would want to be self governing. Not sure that works to our long term interests. However the line in the sand for expansion of the empire needs to be drawn and not beyond the potential peaceful reunification with taiwan. Deep down i imagine the chinese would love to include singapore and other areas with heavy overseas chinese populations like Frisco (g). Mike

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (161435)	5/5/2005 4:30:37 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<Taiwan has always been part of China. Define "ALWAYS" for me, please...> Yiwu the Mad and Bubba the Babbling seem to think it was sometime shortly after the Big Bang, and well before humans appeared on the scene. I suppose they think that it became part of China for absolutely certain when the first human made it from China to Taiwan a few thousand years ago [though maybe the first person arrived from somewhere else and not actually China]. I don't think Taiwan has always been part of China, I was just making the argument to Twofowler who seems to think that Japan's rampages started just before WWII. They occupied Taiwan in the 19th century, when Britain was acendant and obviously a threat to Japan as an expansionist empire, right on their doorstep. I was arguing that Japan had good cause to play empire, just as the USA and Britain and USSR and others always did. When the USSR tried to set up shop in Cuba, the USA blockaded Cuba and rattled the sabres. It's what empires do. Mqurice