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To: Wayners who wrote (162412)5/17/2005 7:59:25 PM
From: Sun Tzu  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
I don't dispute your facts. But the point was that maintaining nukes as a foreign policy tool encourages other nations into an arms race that in turn increases the chances of OBL and the like to get their hands on the material...and this is not including the "mistakes".

It is the *balance* that matters most to prediction of peace and war not the absolute amount of force. Since most countries cannot rely on the rivalry between US and USSR to keep a balance, they feel the need to develop a nuclear shield and no amount of saber rattling and scare tactics is going to stop them.

The message taken from Iraq is not the "shock and awe" of what can happen to you if we don't like you, rather get yourself a few nukes before this happens to you. If you don't like where this leads, then we should make the world feel more secure, not less.



To: Wayners who wrote (162412)5/17/2005 8:07:22 PM
From: bentway  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Yes, McNamara DOES admit to it. He may be a penitent sinner, but he was the Donald Rumsfeld of his day. The men are twin idiots, intellectuals playing with the most powerful military in the world.:

"Many of the "11 Lessons from the life of Robert S. McNamara" ironically outlined in Morris' film, are drawn from that earlier military experience.

Lesson No. 4: Maximize efficiency.

McNamara became a lieutenant colonel in the U.S. Air Force and went to Asia to analyze data from bombing missions. He worked under Gen. Curtis LeMay to increase the efficiency of B-29 bombing raids. Designed to drop bombs at an altitude safe from ground barrages and fighter planes, the B-29s had a problem hitting their targets and had a pathetic ratio of enemy killed per Allied casualty.

LeMay ordered them to fly lower and to drop incendiary bombs, ultimately creating firestorms in 67 cities in Japan. The ratios improved. In one night, 100,000 civilians were burned to death in Tokyo."