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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (64158)	5/23/2005 7:08:57 PM
From: TobagoJack	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

<<Japan is about as wealthy as the USA yet has no guns and is very stable and has lots of good qualities. I think the gun theory is false>> Come on Mq, Japan has hired guns, big time, and so you must be wrong, as usual, or always :0) Chugs, J

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (64158)	5/23/2005 9:43:26 PM
From: Slagle	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

Maurice Re: "gun control" Sadam's Iraq practiced gun control; if you had the right relationship to the Baath Party you could have a gun permit. Do you really believe that Sadam allowed his enemies to arm themselves? When the government fell guns and all kinds of ordanance were scattered far and wide from the government stockpiles. Our founders ideal was an ENLIGHTENED citizen-soldier. An ignorant Afghan tribesman with a Kalashnikov was not the type of person our founders had in mind. And if Afghanistan or New Zealand want to disarm their citizens thats fine by me, just don't let it happen here. It is our tradition I care about preserving, not forcing our practice on other places. Maybe some places need gun control. Ferdinand Marcos began to apply a total gun ban on the Philippines even before he declared martial law in 1971 and he wrote at length about his reasons for the gun ban claiming that the Filipino was too hot headed and drank too much tuba (palm wine) to carry a gun. Marcos should know, in 1938 Marcos himself murdered a political rival of his father, was arrested and convicted of the crime but later freed by friends of the family on the Philippine Supreme Court. On the other hand, most knowledgeable Filipinos now believe that if they had just kept their guns the country would not have had to endure the 21 years of Marcos martial law. I can quote Marxist writings at length on the Marxist belief that socialism must prevail everywhere to prevail anywhere. Marx's literal belief was that if socialism didn't suceed everywhere it would eventually fail everywhere. Marx was right, of course. If a single nation fails to adopt the socialist system that nation will serve as a beacon of freedom to thwart the progress of the Marxist "revolution" in the other nations. Gun control is a very important element in the socialist agenda but advancing gun control has been a total failure for them in the US (with the exception of New York City). It is a great symbolic failure of the socialist agenda and is viewed as such worldwide. Maurice, armed insurrection is not the point of gun ownership. We don't brandish our guns about to scare the government into a constitutional path. Those hundreds of millions of guns quietly resting in closets and cupboards across the land is all that is required. They are there and any would be tyrant KNOWS they are there. And that is all that is required. Slagle