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To: TobagoJack who wrote (64159)	5/24/2005 8:44:59 AM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 74559

for you to be expressing doubts about the state of education in China, now and in the future, is ... how shall I say, oh, well never mind. Our right wing do not understand it either. In fact most educators do not understand it. Japan knows there is something wrong with their education system, but they can't seem to get a fix on it. I am not talking about test scores. I am not talking about no child left behind. I am talking about what makes Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, UC Berkely different than anything they have in China and almost everywhere else. In fact, I do not think most people at Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, UC Berkeley know what it is either. If they did, they wouldn't be given diploma's to many of their graduates. Some glaring names come to mind. Nevertheless, IMO China has not come close to building elite centers of learning. I don't think it can be done with anything resembling a closed mind (like many of our own right wing). I don't think it can be done by control freaks. as in regard to the rest, all easily, as in effortlessly, explainable by the 300 years long accident, which is already at an end, and so not a matter for concern, like the previous year's annual report on any company. Okay, anybody can have a few bad centuries. But how do you know it is over? There is no doubt that China has mastered manufacturing, but where is the innovation? Where is the creativity? Where is the ability to articulate a vision? Where is the Chinese TobagoJack?

To: TobagoJack who wrote (64159)	5/25/2005 5:58:12 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Re: I will just have to smile at this :0) I'm smiling with you. :) Chauvinism is such a hoot and I enjoy reading the BBR because it's a rare venue where we can see it apotheosized by so many disparate nationalists. And smiled at by the most loosely affiliated cosmopolites.

To: TobagoJack who wrote (64159)	5/25/2005 12:48:09 PM
From: Slagle	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

TobagoJack, Re: "Chinese Schools" My son attended a Chinese school in the Philippines for his kindergarden. It was a small school K-12 with I guess maybe 1000 students. The town was a sort of provincal boom town with a busy port and an engineering school and two colleges. There was a Catholic grade school and also the public schools. It was a good school and lots of the local Pinoys sent their children there so that they would learn Chinese. I would be suprised, though if a graduate there would be as well educated as a graduate from a good American public school. On the other hand the school didn't turn out any duds as many US grade schools do, the school teachers in the Philippines don't have to put up with any monkey business from disruptive students, none at all. They also used lots of private tutoring with the gifted students, with the tutor going to the students home after school or on weekends. The school paused for the Rosary Prayer and afternoon Prayers too; Filipino Chinese are just as Catholic as any Pinoy, for the most part. And things there, including school shut down at noon for a two hour lunch and nap period. Everything is slow and laid back in the Southern part of the Coconut Republic. I went to PTA meetings and other school affairs and enjoyed it a bunch. The PTA meeting would start in English (out of courtesy to me) but soon move on to Visaya and Chinese with everybody (except me) talking at once. Slagle