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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (64251)5/25/2005 8:05:51 PM
From: SirWalterRalegh  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
The USA seems to me like a teutonic people who, for the most part, focus on the arts of peace, though as we regularly see, there is a willingness to take a militaristic approach at the drop of a hat.

Mq-

How about the drop of the twin towers?

RB



To: Maurice Winn who wrote (64251)5/25/2005 8:16:15 PM
From: Raymond Duray  Respond to of 74559
 
Re: there are some aspects of the USA which have always reminded me of teutonic character.

Well, we'll never be a "nation of shopkeepers" as England is described. At least not with the teutonic urge toward gigantism as expressed by Wal-Mart.



To: Maurice Winn who wrote (64251)5/25/2005 9:47:00 PM
From: energyplay  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 74559
 
There are at least two strains of militarism in the US -

1> The Prussian / teutonic one - Patton, Schwarkof, Eisenhower.

They tend to want to control the domestic and foreign populations, but they also tend to a certain professionalism.
They actually tend not to be lunatics.

2> The Norman one - the people who invaded England in 1066 displaced about 97% of the old barons, built an Empire, and have run England ever since. They also managed to have their attitudes and beliefs taken up by a large fraction (but not all) of the English people.

The Normans pushed hard to have all the males of the general population trained in the long bow. This paid off at Agincourt.

Same belief results in the NRA and large scale gun ownership.
Or, if you have a Barrett .50 caliber, large gun ownership.

They have a very stong emphasis on education, warfare capability, and infrastructure. They also tend to be paranoid about both external threats and the US government itself.

Good example would be Curtis LeMay, who brought firebombing to Japan, built the Strategic Air Command, and was something of a model for the General Jack Ripper in Kubrick's Dr.Strangelove.

General Le May was also a driving force behind the "New Math" curriculum, which in 1961 was trying to teach about 70% of the fifth grade students how to work in base 2 and base 8. Using a computer would be just as important as uisng a gun, so let's train all those kids NOW. Never mind if it had not been thought out or tested.

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The Norman strain of thought is much nastier - the German one wants to control the enemy. The Norman one wants to kill them, all of them.

We can see the contrasts with the American Indians - Reservations (control) or extinction (blankets with smallpox, massive attacks)

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There is also a Hispanic / Latino / Texas strain in US military culture, but I don't know enough to comment on it.