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To: Kid Rock who wrote (105067)	5/25/2005 9:49:14 PM
From: ManyMoose	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

You got me on that one, Kid. Some people just like to fight.

To: Kid Rock who wrote (105067)	5/25/2005 11:17:29 PM
From: J. C. Dithers	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 108807

I think that real is a very deep question, Kid. I think it is essentially the same question that I ask -- why do some people love their country, regardless of its faults or warts, while others seem not to have such attachment? Put another way, why do some love unconditionally while others only love conditionally? I have a parable in the dog kingdom. I have had a dozen or so dogs in my lifetime. They all amply demonstrated love of home. One was hit by a car a mile from home and came all the way back, somehow, with a broken neck to die on the doorstep (amazing everyone who witnessed it). Another met the same fate on out own street before my eyes and raced to our porch and up the steps to die of horrible injuries that should have killed her on the spot. Most of of our other dogs roamed freely when that was the norm but always came home. The only exception was "Mr. Chips," a spaniel. Every time we let him free, he disappeared. We were always calling the police station, and they would tell us someone had called. We would go to pick him up, and find that he was happily living with another family. He would come home and be a good dog, but take off again at the first opportunity. Finally the day came when no one called and he was gone for good. We never could figure out what was missing in his make-up that made him not care about his home. He could just take it or leave it, nonchalantly. It wasn't anything you could get mad about, because he was a good dog. There was just something missing. When I think of the question you posed -- I always think of "Mr. Chips."

To: Kid Rock who wrote (105067)	5/26/2005 1:20:10 AM
From: Grainne	Respond to of 108807

Are you including me in the group of people you perceive as voicing the most concern over angering the Muslim world? Just in case you are, my concern is not about angering the Muslim world. It is about America acting in a generally ethical way everywhere. About respecting the Geneva Conventions. About not being a warlike aggressor nation, invading other countries and changing them for our own security interests. About not assuming people are guilty when they are swept up and interrogated and tortured in countries we are in conflict with. About working with other nations to try to solve problems that affect everyone, like global warming. America is a conceited, arrogant, violent polluter nation now. It is not just Muslims who have lost respect for America--it is almost everyone. We had legitimate reasons to find Osama Bin Laden and to fight Al Qaida. Those reasons had absolutely nothing to do with Iraq. Most liberals aren't pacifists, they just believe in essential fairness. Christianity has a two thousand year history. From an historical perspective, or from a current events perspective, or from many other perspectives, it is perfectly reasonable and accurate to see Christianity from quite a negative perspective. Everyone chooses their own belief system. If you like Christianity and believe in it, then it is certainly your right to defend it. But most of the world is not Christian, and it is just as valid intellectually to criticize it, and doing so does not make its critics bad people. Nor does it make its faithful bad people! We are talking about Christianity as an institution here, for the most part, certainly in the posts I write about it. I do think that Christians should at least practice the teachings of Jesus, and when I see lack of tolerance and a whole lot of bigotry and ignorance and utter lack of compassion in Christians, I have to wonder, because then those people seem really hypocritical to me. And yet they look down upon non-Christians sometimes like we are less moral or less ethical than they are. I would not describe that as loving to anger Christians, though. I never think about these issues unless the subject comes up somehow in the press or a post or something.