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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (163450)	6/2/2005 4:42:37 PM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 281500

"Got a link for your dubious history? How a negotiated settlement is supposed to have saved any Jews just defies all logic. Hitler wasn't commiting the Holocaust as a war effort, you know. In fact, the army often complained bitterly that he was diverting resources and turning populations hostile and generally making their lives more difficult." and as sun likes to say, they were using the Jews as "escape goats". I dont know whats funnier, suns malapropism or is claim that you challenge above. Dont hold your breath for those links? This donut head doesnt ever remember this claim ever being made.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (163450)	6/2/2005 5:03:00 PM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

>> That's exactly what we did do. Not even close. The US policy was clearly to keep a weakened Saddam in charge so that (a) Iraq would not disintegrate and (b) it would still lean against Iran. This was true when US allowed Saddam's gunship to mow the Shia uprising and it continued through 10 years of sanctions. I don't have the time to go through all the history, but there were several opposition groups who got sold out to Saddam at just the right time. The real problem was that some self-righteous politicians demonized Saddam to the point of no possibility of negotiations. In the mean time, the French and Russians were making deals in Iraq, while US was under self-imposed sanctions and was sitting in the corner sobbing. Meanwhile, Israeli lobby conveniently presented a win-win solution in the form of invasion. It was of course expected that not only Iraq would be controlled and a pro-US government propped up in a matter of months, but that some form of oil-for-invasion program would pay off all the bills. So much for predictions. >> Sorry, Iraq observers don't agree. Are these the same experts who predicted a cakewalk? Here is the thing about predictions: they are very dangerous, especially when they are about the future. >> Got a link for your dubious history? Yes I do. But why don't you Google it. It may lead you to other interesting notes. >> How a negotiated settlement is supposed to have saved any Jews just defies all logic. Well, you see what you want to see. The point of the passage was that there were (and this is a historical fact) plenty of Germans who opposed Hitler. This was true of the military as well, especially after he invaded Russia. There is no reason to believe they could not be convinced to plot against Hitler, given the right political climate. But by making WWII a "fight to the death", and there was no reason for anyone to side against Hitler. In short this prolonged Hitler's reign which in turn prolonged the number of all people killed by the Nazis, including Jews. The other point was that "fights to death" are a lot more savage than fights that may end with simple win-loss situations. So not only the war went on longer than necessary, it also became more vicious.