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To: KeithDust2000 who wrote (161541)6/15/2005 1:42:48 PM
From: TechieGuy-altRespond to of 275872
 
DRBES, I can´t help but getting the feeling that IBM was dragged to offering this kicking and screaming. One of the articles on it
painted it that way. Yeah, High Performance Computing Clusters. I´m hoping, begging, that HP will take huge chunks of market share from the "We think we made the right bet with the INTEL architecture" guys. I wouldn´t be suprised to see IBM continuing to downplay/bash Opteron even as they offer it in blades now.

Idiots.


Yes, with the DC's available in quantity AND excellent GHz's the competition between the Opteron and the Xeon's are a "no contest" in any field where performance, density, peroformace/watt and performance/price is important.

I'm hoping that between HP, (kicking and screaming IBM) and emerging SUNW- they can take more than 75% of the above mentioned server/HPC market with Opteron systems.

That'll be quite a foothold in this slow to change market and should enable an AMD presense for quite a while to come.

Dell can have the "1P" "crappy" low end server market. Quite a jujitsu moove on the part of AMD- that will be.

TG



To: KeithDust2000 who wrote (161541)6/15/2005 3:02:49 PM
From: PetzRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 275872
 
Keith, did you read the power problems IBM is having with their bladecenters using Xeons and (presumably) Power 5?
www-1.ibm.com
You gotta love that response -- "it's acting as it was designed..."

Blade is not allowed to power on due to insufficient power - IBM eServer BladeCenter, BladeCenter HS20

Source

RETAIN tip: H082286

Symptom

When further IBM eServer BladeCenter HS20 blades are installed to a BladeCenter chassis configured with less than a full complement of blades and a "Redundant without Performance Impact" power policy, the following message appears: "Blade is not allowed to power on because of insufficient power".
Affected configurations

The system may be any of the following IBM eServers:

* a BladeCenter, type 8677, any model
* a BladeCenter HS20, type 8843, any model

The 73E Firmware for the BladeCenter Management Module is affected.

Solution

None. The Blades and BladeCenter are working as designed and are not failing. This message is informing the user that the current power policy setting: "Redundant without Performance Impact" does not allow throttling and therefore does not meet the requirements to power on all the installed blades.

A future release of the Management Module firmware will provide more descriptive messages to explain these power policy settings. The target release date for this firmware is the second Quarter 2005.
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By the way, if you change the power policy to allow performance impact, it doesn't just enable EIST, it turns entire blades off. :)

Petz



To: KeithDust2000 who wrote (161541)6/16/2005 9:08:01 AM
From: Smallpops7Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 275872
 
Reading this article that rzborusa put up gives me the exact same feeling, NetApp was dragged to offering this kicking and screaming:

NetApp win boosts AMD's embedded Opteron effort
Storage vendor desires 64-bit architecture

By Robert McMillan, IDG News Service
June 15, 2005

AMD's brand new embedded Opteron program has a new customer -- storage vendor Network Appliance (Profile, Products, Articles). NetApp has selected Opteron as the processor for an upcoming storage server, according to NetApp Chief Executive Officer Dan Warmenhoven.

NetApp currently uses chips from Intel for much of its product line, but the company has decided to go with AMD's 64-bit processor for its next high-end machine because of technical reasons, Warmenhoven said during an interview. "We'll use AMD for one box," he said. "We need the 64-bit architecture and Intel (Profile, Products, Articles) couldn't get there in time. But I see no reason to say that sets a precedent for what we do next."

Warmenhoven did not provide any further details on the new server, but a company spokeswoman said that the company has no plans to ship Opteron-based servers during 2005.

Over the next two years, Network Appliance will be phasing in a new operating system for its storage servers called Data OnTap Next Generation. The software, which will use technology NetApp acquired in its 2003 purchase of Spinnaker Networks, will provide a common management interface for very large clusters of storage servers.

"Just like you can have a pool of Linux servers (in a cluster), we're going to give you a pool of storage," said Rod Matthews, senior director of strategy and development with Network Appliance.

Whatever the specifics of the forthcoming Opteron-based product, the design win will give a boost to AMD's embedded Opteron program, which the company unveiled just three months ago. "I think it's huge for AMD's credibility," said Nathan Brookwood, principal analyst with Insight64 in Saratoga, California.

Unlike general-purpose systems, which can be configured for a wide variety of applications, embedded computers are designed to perform a limited number of predefined tasks.

While Intel's chip designs have focused more on the midrange of the server market, AMD has come up with a processor that is particularly well-suited to products like storage servers, Brookwood said. "Storage applications require a combination of lots of memory, lots of memory bandwidth, and lots of I/O bandwidth," he said. "You're not doing tons of calculations in these storage systems, you're just shuttling things around."

The AMD chip's integrated memory controller, which speeds up communication between the processor and memory, and HyperTransport interconnects, which is used for communication between non-memory system components, make the processor particularly appealing for devices that need to process large amounts of data, according to the company. Intel's chips use a different design.

To date, AMD has announced only three embedded Opteron design wins. Sun Microsystems (Profile, Products, Articles) Inc. has said that it will build a blade server for the telecommunications market, and hardware makers Pinnacle Data Systems Inc. and WIN Enterprises Inc. are also on board.

NetApp is the first storage vendor to publicly commit to Opteron, but it apparently will not be the last.

AMD has now signed up more than 10 storage vendors, according to David Rich, director of 64-bit embedded markets at AMD. Rich declined to name any of these vendors, however, saying that it was too early in the product development cycle for most of them to go public with their intentions.

In addition to the telecom and storage space, embedded Opteron chips are also attracting some attention in the imaging market, Rich said. "In imaging you very often have large pieces of data," he said. "You get into issues of moving the images around and working on them with multiple processors. Again, that's where we have great advantages," he said.

Opteron isn't the only non-Intel chip that NetApp has used. The company once shipped servers based on the Alpha processor, and it uses chips from Broadcom Corp. for its low-end FAS200 series products, according to Warmenhoven.

NetApp's CEO Warmenhoven stressed that the Opteron win did not represent a long-term switch for his company. He said that Intel, which is also a NetApp customer, is very much in the running for future designs. "While I don't necessarily espouse reciprocity, they're a big customer of mine: Tie goes to Intel."

"If they get the processor ready, that 's what I"m going to use," Warmenhoven said of Intel. "They missed a cycle in what I required. They spent so much time and energy on Itanium. Itanium wasn't what I needed. I needed 64-bit Intel architecture. AMD had it."

infoworld.com



To: KeithDust2000 who wrote (161541)6/17/2005 9:10:21 PM
From: KeithDust2000Respond to of 275872
 
IBM staying true to form hides the Opteron blade on their website.

If you go shopping for servers

ibm.com

It´s nowhere to be seen.

Not on the bladecenter page either

www-1.ibm.com

Instead, you need to know somehow that it exists, need to go to "AMD-based servers" if you can find that and be pretty sharp-eyed to find the LS20 link under the "resources" line.

I might be repeating myself here:

Idiots.