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To: Grainne who wrote (106112)	6/17/2005 3:41:30 AM
From: Kid Rock	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

I would kill 1,000 dogs to save the life of my child. Wouldnt you? Two PETA Employees Arrested on Animal Cruelty Charges in N.C wavy.com Two individuals from Hampton Roads, employees of the Norfolk-based People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, were arrested Wednesday night in Ahoskie, N.C., on animal cruelty charges. The two were arrested after authorities allege they dumped dead dogs and cats in a dumpster at a shopping center on Memorial Drive in Ahoskie. Andrew Benjamin Cook, 24, of Virginia Beach, and Adria Joy Hinkle, 27, of Norfolk, were arrested at the shopping center. Police say they found 18 dead animals in the dumpster and 13 dead animals in the couple's van, which according to authorities, is registered to PETA. Both suspects were charged with 31 counts of animal cruelty and eight counts of illegal disposal of animals. According to police, the animals were from two North Carolina animal shelters - one in Northampton County and the other in Bertie County. Officials say the animals were alive when they left the shelters, but have not said how they died. North Carolina officials say they have been investigating reports of dead animals at the shopping center for over a month. Authorities say there were four other incidents of dead animals found in the shopping center dumpster, each on a Wednesday night. Surveillance was conducted this week, resulting in the two arrests. Cook and Hinkle were released on bond. They have a court date in Winton, N.C., on June 17th. A PETA spokesperson told WAVY News 10 that the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals has a long-standing relationship with shelters to euthanize pets that the shelters feel are no longer adoptable, and the spokesperson is confident the animal cruelty charges will be dropped. If the animals were put into a dumpster as alleged, the spokesperson termed that 'outrageous.' PETA says Hinkle has been suspended. Cook is still working for the organization

To: Grainne who wrote (106112)	6/17/2005 12:34:04 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I think that all animal testing should be outlawed. I can agree with you about testing on cosmetics and the like. But when it comes to drugs for illness and disease, no matter how much theoretical work is done on a new drug, in most cases there is no way to know whether it will actually work on the targeted disease, and what unexpected side effects it might have, without testing it in some living being, whether human (we all are, of course, animals) or non-human. If we stop all non-human animal testing, one of three things will necessarily result. 1. There will be no new drugs introduced, and diseases like the bird flu, resistant TB, bubonic plague, polio, and the like will increase and in some cases become epidemic, and research on further cures for heart disease, HIV and AIDS, cancers, and other diseases will end. 2. Drug companies must put on the market drugs that have not been tested in living beings, with the result that we are almost certain to have more drugs like Thalidomide which cause enormous human tragedies. 3. Drugs must be tested in humans. And what humans would be willing to volunteer to be test subjects for drugs that might kill them or lead to blindness, liver damage, or other serious disabilities? The very poorest for whom the choice of a few hundred dollars as payment for being a test human would be worth the risk of death, prisoners serving long sentences who might have their sentences commuted if they survived the tests, or other vulnerable persons. Which of these alternatives do you think is preferable to continuing animal testing?