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To: Grainne who wrote (106121)	6/17/2005 9:52:41 AM
From: Yaacov	Respond to of 108807

Hi Graine, How have you been? Have picked-up in long cucumbers from your graden? Have you been sitting on any washer and dryers? GG We see here wolves shed their mantel but never loose their habits! I know you for what you are, horney, imorale, anti-Semite, and loose! GGG I like you there, aways!

To: Grainne who wrote (106121)	6/17/2005 10:44:52 AM
From: mph	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

How about some support for your statement (in bold): I prefer people who are not drinking or smoking anything! I spent plenty of years around people stoned on marijuana in my younger years, and it is a real energy drag. Plus they are very silly to talk to, to carry on an intelligent conversation with. But they don't kill people with their cars or anything, or throw up or pee in your house plants like drunks do, and that is a positive. Think about it like this: would you let a deer run in front of a car driven by a stoned dude?<g>

To: Grainne who wrote (106121)	6/17/2005 1:03:25 PM
From: Alan Smithee	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Can you compare those with the number of road deaths caused by drunk drivers, perhaps? I was talking about cannabis use, not alcohol use, so no, I am not going to find data comparing cannabis vs. alcohol. Since the BBC appears to be a highly-ranked and well-though-of source on this thread, I thought I would share this: Cannabis increases car-crash risk Heavy cannabis users are 10 times more likely to be injured, or to injure others, in car accidents, researchers have found. The scientists from the University of Auckland, New Zealand, say their study is the first proof that there is a link between using cannabis and accidents. Previously, there was only laboratory research and post mortem evidence to suggest a connection. UK experts said the Addiction study showed more education was needed. Doctors had believed there was a link between cannabis use and accidents for some time, but had been unable to prove a connection. 'Target heavy users' The New Zealand team surveyed 571 drivers of cars involved in crashes in which at least one occupant was hospitalised or killed and a control group of 588 drivers randomly selected from cars driving in Auckland. They were asked if they had taken cannabis in the three hours prior to the crash or survey and were also asked about their use of cannabis over the previous 12 months. It was found that habitual cannabis users were 9.5 times more likely to be involved in crashes, with 5.6% of people who crashed having taken the drug compared to 0.5% of the control group. Their risk of an accident was increased whether or not they had used cannabis immediately before the accident. However the researchers said more research was needed to understand how cannabis use was linked to risk-taking behaviour, and how other factors - such as the person also using alcoho - might affect. The researchers, led by Dr Stephanie Blows, said: "The prevalence of self-reported recent cannabis use in the Auckland driving population was less than 1%, and those who did use marijuana prior to driving were highly likely to be habitual users. "This suggests that interventions targeting high risk marijuana use groups may be more cost-effective than random roadside testing." Professor Robert West, editor of Addiction, said: "People have been saying for some time that drugs increase your risk of an accident, but there was no good evidence to show that. "It shows public information campaigns would be a good idea." Martin Barnes, chief executive of Drugscope, said: "Cannabis can impact on your perception and your responses." He added: "Obviously if you have been taking drugs you should really not be driving." Story from BBC NEWS: news.bbc.co.uk Published: 2005/04/30 22:57:29 GMT © BBC MMV There is this from an abstract from a 1976 article in Lancet A fatal motor-car accident and cannabis use. Investigation by radioimmunoassay. Teale D, Marks V. Impairment of driving skills by drugs is an important cause of traffic accidents. Alcohol is the most important, though far from the only, drug involved; and of 684 fatal accidents investigated by Woodhouse, 321 (47%) of the drivers had blood-alcohol levels greater than 100 mg/100 ml at the time of death. In 16 it exceeded 400 mg/100 ml. Unlike alcohol, cannabis has received little attention as a possible cause of traffic accidents, largely owing to the difficulty of proving cannabis use objectively. The recent development of a reliable and relatively simple method for detecting and measuring cannabis products in blood and urine may help to overcome this difficulty. As Milner has pointed out, the full effect of alcohol on driving competence was not appreciated until objective methods of measuring blood-alcohol levels became generally available. The same may be true of cannabis. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov You might want to check this: teensarenotadisease.com