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To: Brumar89 who wrote (17757)	6/19/2005 2:04:06 AM
From: TigerPaw	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20773

The important issues now ... An important issue is to impeach Junior and Cheney so that no President lies himself into a losing war in the future. TP

To: Brumar89 who wrote (17757)	6/20/2005 5:05:18 AM
From: zonder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

Define "dead argument"?

To: Brumar89 who wrote (17757)	6/20/2005 12:25:45 PM
From: thames_sider	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20773

The important issues now are what to do to help Iraq get on its feet, develop a stable govt that represents its people, and eventually withdraw our troops. You miss perhaps the most important issue, for the US and UK (though not for Iraq)... Examine openly and honestly what we did, be sure we don't make the same mistakes again, and remove from office and power those who don't even accept that there were mistakes, still less theirs. I've been tired of the futile argument over a dead issue for a long time. No doubt. But you break something, you gotta pay for it. While you insist (simultaneously) that you didn't break it, you had good reasons to break it, it was already broken, you had no plans to break it but events forced your hand, and that it isn't broken any more - then you haven't paid. YOu can't move on without paying, and also accepting why you should pay. Plus, it's not up to those who warned you that you'd break it to help fix it. Your mess. We warned you this would happen, sometimes very exactly. My own favoured simile was to expect a much worse version of Northern Ireland... BTW, guess what, British troops are still stuck there after ~35 years (not counting the ~400-800 years of colonisation) and it's still not mended. Although we at least tried to exceed the minima of Geneva conventions, and guess what - we're still having trials for civilian deaths there, which numbered in the tens rather than uncounted thousands.