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To: Oral Roberts who wrote (106247)	6/18/2005 8:12:35 PM
From: Ish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

You can read an article on line about grabbing a tiger by the tail. Jump in the zoo and try it, whole 'nother ball game.

To: Oral Roberts who wrote (106247)	6/18/2005 8:41:13 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

You are apparently a supporter of factory farming, and I am an opponent. So criticizing me simply because my articles all support my view to me is unfair. I would expect you to use supporting evidence that supports your view, as well. I do not think balance is expected or desirable when one is involved in an argument with two completely distinct sides. What would the point be, Oral? Where I do take exception is that you continually challenge the authenticity and accuracy of my source materials, and yet they are the same source materials, for example, that Martin Scully, Bush's speech writer, used when he wrote the anti-factory farming article for The American Conservative. I also use quite a few materials from agricultural universities and the Hog Board or whatever it is called, and a poultry industry publication. You can call my articles one-sided, but to dispute their accuracy I don't believe is fair or accurate. I also think it is unfair to insist that all of my ideas are basically insanely LEFTIST and lack any basis in reality when you refuse to read the Scully article, which explains why factory farming is completely wrong and sinful from a conservative Christian perspective, and expresses all the thoughts I have about the subject very succinctly. I have never said I presume to know everything. But there is a growing body of evidence that factory farming is not only completely immoral, but also a perversion in the largest sense of the spirt of man in relationship to animals, not to mention the fact that is spreads disease and pollutes the environment terribly. You can call that slanted if you want, but I am sure I will continue fo feel like talking about it here, because I think it is a very important issue.

To: Oral Roberts who wrote (106247)	6/18/2005 9:45:03 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Now see, here is another reason why factory farming is a bad thing. It makes meat artificially inexpensive. The environmental degradation and animal suffering and disease spreading costs are not factored in to the price per pound, and so people are able to afford to eat way too much of it. So then it becomes a public health problem, and of course that is sad and unnecessary. This is a large British study showing conclusive links between red meat eating and cancer that just came out this week: Big study links red meat diet to cancer Sarah Boseley, health editor Wednesday June 15, 2005 The Guardian International scientists yesterday delivered a long-awaited verdict on red meat, concluding in a definitive study of the eating habits of half a million people that beef, lamb, pork, veal and their processed varieties such as ham and bacon, increase the risk of bowel cancer. Those who eat two portions a day - equivalent to a bacon sandwich and a fillet steak - increase their risk of bowel cancer by 35% over those who eat just one portion a week, the study found. The World Health Organisation's international agency for research on cancer (IARC) called for everybody to eat more fish and less meat. The Medical Research Council, Cancer Research UK and IARC funded the European prospective investigation into cancer and nutrition (Epic) study, which monitored the diets of men and women in 10 countries for five years. It found that eating fibre, in the form of vegetables, fruit and wholegrain cereals, lessened the risk of meat eating and that fish, eaten at least every other day, was protective. "People have suspected for some time that high levels of red and processed meat increase the risk of bowel cancer, but this is one of the largest studies worldwide and the first from Europe of this type to show a strong relationship," said Sheila Bingham, one of the authors, from the MRC Dunn Human Nutrition Unit in Cambridge. "The overall picture is very consistent for red and processed meat and fibre across all the European populations studied." Those in the high-risk group were eating more than 160g of meat a day. An average fillet steak weighs about 140g and an average burger about 100g. The smallest chipolata sausages weigh in at about 20g each, but premium sausages are around 40g, according to the British Nutrition Foundation. The average Briton eats 93g of meat a day, according to British Meat, which claimed there was no reason for most people to change their habits. "If you eat meat, you are not going to get cancer," said a spokesman. The Epic study, published last night in the Journal of the International Cancer Institute, found that the risks of eating red meat were less in people who ate a lot of fibre from vegetables, fruit and wholegrain cereals. Eating any sort of fish on a regular basis - at least 80g every other day - had a protective effect, reducing the bowel cancer risk by 30% over those who ate fish less than once a week. Although man has been eating red meat for thousands of years, it is the way in which we now eat it that could be the problem. "Meat used to be the relish and still is in Mediterranean countries. It is a treat. The bulk of the meal comes from the other things like carbohydrates and vegetables," said Professor Bingham. When eaten in stews and casseroles, the portion sizes tend not to be so large, and the meat is mixed with vegetables which provide helpful fibre. But plain British fare, such as steak and chips, bacon and eggs and roast meats without much in the way of vegetables, could be more problematic. society.guardian.co.uk