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To: Mary Cluney who wrote (65529)	6/26/2005 4:21:11 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

<Most engineers are like the rest of us. They don't get to do very much that is important. They get to do things that eventually computers can do.> Take a look around you at things made by people and you could include the sky because that's made by people too if you agree that CO2 emissions and ozone control are affecting the sky. Where did that chair you are sitting on come from? Track back up each little component and visit the factory that made it and find out where the plastic originated [a chemical processing plant with feedstock coming out of natural gas dug by reservoir engineers and was transferred to an injection moulding factory and guess who designed the machines to do that little trick]. Everywhere you look and everything you touch was engineered. I know from restrictions on who gets into engineering school that they are the smart ones. Arty farty types like to think they are the creative ones, but they just daub around with ink and waco "installations" or splatter a few words around a novel in a form of verbal pornography [pornography being a fake rendition of the real thing]. They might make movies with cigarettes, lots of rap-type swearing, violence and insanity, for the gullible to mimic and make a lot of money while doing it. The beauty of a 777 swooping over with contrails and 300 people on board makes any art 'installation' look like a work of monkey, not work of art. Take away all those "unimportant" things that engineers have done and see how you feel. I hope you don't live in a cold climate. You'll need to hunt some fur to keep warm. Of course the first engineers knew how to knap flint msu.edu You can probably do that, provided you can work out which stone is flint. After you've done some flint-knapping, you could figure out how to make phragmented photons swoop around in cyberspace, from satellites, through the aether, and through fibre, delivering brain-function anywhere at low cost. Maybe you are right and these things are unimportant. You could instead huddle like a chimp in the forest, squabbling over hunter gatherer supplies, with lawyers who could tell you who is allowed what [they would have to use oral tradition laws as paper and pen wouldn't be around]. Mqurice