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To: Cyprian who wrote (165677)	7/9/2005 8:16:40 PM
From: Keith Feral	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

I didn't even think the Jews killed Christ. Wasn't he exectuted by the Romans? halexandria.org I think it is ironic that Rome is home to the Catholic Church. en.wikipedia.org Maybe not, if the Roman governor was from Judea. Hmmm.... Wasn't Jesus a Jew? ways-of-christ.net A Jew spending all of his time teaching other Jews about the Old Testament. Are you sure you want to damn the people of Jesus to hell because they got caught behind the cultural evolution of Christianity in the West created by the New Testament?

To: Cyprian who wrote (165677)	7/10/2005 8:01:07 AM
From: jttmab	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Corrected: St. John Chrysostom is the greatest Father in the eastern Orthodox Church [heretical], and he is also recognized as a saint in the roman catholic church(the only true Church of Christ). As he well predates the schism [even your incorrect date of 1054]one would think he would be recognized by the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox church. He's more highly thought of as a theologian by the Orthodox; a great pulpit speaker by the Catholics. I've never quite understood why the Orthodox and Protestants seem to forget Luke 23-34 And Jesus said: Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. Especially, the Orthodox as we do share in common the belief in the Holy Trinity. In Luke 23-34, as the Father and the Son are One [along with the Holy Spirit], this cannot be a request, but it is a statement of fact. Why is it that Christians cannot forgive when Jesus Christ has explicitly forgiven? As far as heresy goes, I think the greatest disagreement between the RC and Orthodox Church is that of Papal Authority which is well founded in the New Testament.... In Matthew 16:19, Jesus gives Peter "the keys to the kingdom" and the power to bind and loose. While the latter is later given to the other apostles (Matt. 18:18), the former is not. In Luke 22:28–32, Jesus assures the apostles that they all have authority, but then he singles out Peter, conferring upon him a special pastoral authority over the other disciples which he is to exercise by strengthening their faith (22:31–32). In John 21:15–17, with only the other disciples present (cf. John 21:2), Jesus asks Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?"—in other words, is Peter more devoted to him than the other disciples? When Peter responds that he is, Jesus instructs him: "Feed my lambs" (22:15). Thus we see Jesus describing the other disciples, the only other people who are present, the ones whom Jesus refers to as "these," as part of the lambs that he instructs Peter to feed, giving him the role of pastor (shepherd) over them. Again, a reference to Peter having more than merely a primacy of honor with respect to the other apostles, but a primacy of pastoral discipline as well. Who is the heretic? Further, after the collapse of the Byzantine Empire, the partriarchs of the Eastern Orthodox were, in effect, selected by the Muslims by price. jttmab