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To: one_less who wrote (166444)	7/18/2005 4:31:27 PM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Gem, do you really not see my point or are you just enjoying this debate too much? Of course we had "good" reasons for staying out. Everybody always has good reasons for doing what they do. Do you think Saddam did not have good reasons for invading Kuwait? Those reasons are not the issue; the issue is that by leaving simple ethical behaviour behind ( never mind the high ideals of America) we created highly armed sociopath thugs who destroyed the country to pieces and drove the people to accept anyone who'd bring about a resemblance of stability even if it was the Taliban. Please don't twist the previous passage into some kind of support for Bush style "nation building". I've already said what needed to be done and that is not "nation building". Our assumption at the time was that the fighters who helped to liberate Afghanistan including their Pakistan/Saudi allies would happily support an Afghanistan Democracy And how did US came to make such assumption? Is Saudi a democracy? Was the thugship of that military dictator Zai-ul-haq a democracy? On what grounds did you assume that a military dictator and a religious extremist regime "would happily support an Afghanistan Democracy"? Did we really need the 2005 perspective to see this? If you did not see it that way at the time, then that was your choice...and anyone who had spent the smallest time with the Afghans at the time (e.g. UNHCR office in Peshawar) could see this.