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To: thames_sider who wrote (2006)	7/20/2005 10:43:30 PM
From: X Y Zebra	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 540748

*********** WARNING ************* this is a response to a PERSONAL ATTACK, so reader beware... OK, I've persevered, but I can't get past this. oh poor you such a martyr, if you do not like it, then click next, put me on ignore, or [as you have done] respond to me... **** but please, [please, oh please] spare me the b.s. * now... once that's clear, let's see what rubbish have you said.... Are you actually arguing that in retribution for the London bombings, or perhaps to prevent 'them' doing it again, the US wipe out the entire population of Yorkshire [the bit of the UK where the bombers all lived], maybe with a few nuclear bombs, or simply round up all the Muslims there and kill them? no. what i have suggested is to take a FIRM and UNIFIED stance against TERRORISM, very over due in its timing and strength. no more, no less... the Unites States of America, is AT WAR with TERRORISTS. no more, no less... my posts show my frustration at the stupid attitude taken by many members of the western civilization (or at least who live in their known confines) so..... don't take out of context what i wrote [by simply selecting, copying and pasting a sentence out of an entire post.] HERE IS WHAT I SAID: (READ THE ENTIRE POST and understand the context) Message 21520178 especially for you, who seems to have a comprehension problem, or worse, a willful twisting of words written like any other bland arse apologist, with blurred vision who can't see the obvious. i was responding to Dale's assertion that "i do not understand how the terrorist mind works, therefore, the relatives and survivors as a NEW WAVE of terrorists [SO IMPLIED BY DALE] would then attack us yet again.... hence... my strategy (read that again... s t r a t e g y) would not work. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO i responded by saying that i would make sure that such POTENTIAL attacks by these NEW terrorist... would not be possible, since our determination would be such that if THEY CHOOSE to become terrorists, they will simply get what any other terrorist deserves... i.e. destruction. will i get all of them ? chances are that not... and so upon the attacks, we would swiftly RESPOND. entiendes pendejo ? or shall i say it spanish ? in addition, i also told Dale that since they have OPENLY declared war on us, then i have no choice but support the idea of taking the war TO THEM in THEIR real estate most definitively MY preference. and yes, chances are that there would be collateral damage..... but out there, not here. *********WHEREVER THAT MAY BE **************** when you say that... i am suggesting to take out a good chunk of yorkshire.... if i read correctly what you are suggesting, this means that there must be such an important terrorist cell in britain and the evidence of such cell points out that they are getting ready to bomb us..... WELLLLLLLLLLL yes, such cell must be destroyed... i mean.... it is not as though britain is not accustomed to terrorism right ? not much different than NORTHERN IRELAND right ? [oooopssssss] well never mind that shit for now.... let's keep on topic... HOW would i take the TERRORIST cell out ?? did i say ".... KILL all the TERRORISTS and all the STATES that HARBOR THEM ?????? yes, i did say that.... therefore, i would ask our distinguished allies ... in this case the official government of tony blair and i would say... oi mate, wot's this with these blokes throwing bombs everywhere KILLING innocent victims at your local pubs, plus i am hearing that they are getting ready to do the USA in as well.... wot are you going to do about it???? i am sure that tony would be most willing to cooperate and do the british thing and help us rut the bastards out.... but if good ole tony says to the USA.... stuff it you yankees, mind your own fg business and go home... let these good british citizens go about their business... well... then that's different.... i would at first remind him of the 1776 red coats arse whipping and this time we would do home delivery.... THAT IS WHAT I MEANT... did i say to USE NUCLEAR BOMBS ? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO what i said was... we'd better kill the TERRORISTS first BEFORE.... THEY USE THE NUKES and kill us all* jesús, maría, y josé... i know english is my second language but man.... do you speak AND read english? read the goddamned post(s)... [and hopefully... COMPREHEND IT] so.... how the hell did MY statements translated in your empty skull as if I WOULD SUGGEST THE USE OF NUCLEAR DEVICES??? talk about twisting words uh ? or do you really think i am as stupid as you write (and probably look) ? The first seems a bit harsh, given we are nominally your allies and all that. And I can't help feeling that the second would probably not meet acceptance either; something about the image of, say, surrounding the entire county with barbed wire to prevent escapees, then interrogating the population and - what, shooting anyone a little bit brown? or only those who actually admit they're Muslim? - well, it's not really very British, to say the least. ROFLMAO YOU my allied ? jesucristo !!!... con amigos de éste calibre, para que quiero enemigos !!!! que pendejo es éste tío. what ? and northern ireland is... Rhodesian [oooops, excuse me Zimbabwean] territory under british occupation ???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ok... the stupidity is beginning to shine here... are you suggesting that all the military actions in Belfast are my imagination or somehow it does not count? because the last i read... exactly what you said was 'not very british' i.e. barbed wires, interrogations and what ? no killings ? LOLOLOLOLOL ! and NOT VERY BRITISH ?? ... did happened in your own land.... what crock, do you suffer alzheimers too ? geocities.com meaning.... (according to your own statements.... HOW UN-british indeed!) Or are you actually proposing that we (well, you) exterminate the entire Muslim umma, all billion or so of them? Wow. Even Hitler never managed quite that peak of anti-Semitism, and it's not often anyone could use him as an example of thinking small with the deranged bigoted genocide plans. my.... (oh my, oh my.....) have you forgotten your medications or... were you born stupid ? first of all.... WHO SAID MUSLIM ???? R O F L M A O does that mean something ? I mean 'psychologically speaking ? because i remember my mama telling me.... "el que hambre tiene en pan piensa, hijo mio" roughly translated, this means... "he who hungry is, in bread always thinks, my son" except... i got to say this.... she was referring to my sex drive, which showed very high at a young age... i know, i'll spare you the details how she found out... other than to say that she found me half naked with a girl who [she thought] i was her boyfriend... -lol in this instance, it applies to you.... because YOU Mr. (or is it Mrs?) Sider said the word Muslims, in context with terrorists ... -----> not me... for your benefit.... here are all the posts i have written in this reference.... check them out.... THERE IS NOT ONE PLACE WHERE I HAVE USED THE WORD MUSLIM..... the closest i got to it, was.... i mentioned Yasser Arafat and Palestinians... making the reference that it was a huge mistake to patronize these retards (read TERRORISTS --NOT MUSLIMS, NOT PALESTINEANS) and have given him the status of a diplomat, and further that if the palestineans could not offer the world any better.... what else can we hope for these poor souls.... don't believe me ? here .... READ y comprende cabrón porque eres muy pendejo Message 21519747 Message 21519951 Message 21520049 Message 21520178 Message 21520932 Message 21521462 Message 21521606 Message 21521680 Message 21523116 Message 21523200 so.... don't b.s. me please... don't bring me your sorry argument that i am a bigot you shit head... oh... and before i forget, i am as brown, if not browner than any muslim anyway; i have been at the wrong end of the bigot stick more times than you could ever imagine, both in britain (where i lived for 4 years) and in these here U.S. of good ole' red-neck america... [but i still like it here, and i told the red necks to f-off and leave me alone and it has worked, because i ask no special favors just because i happen to have a more beautiful sking than most of them anyway...] but guess what.... i rise to the occasion because i do not believe in your weak argument, i am the good kind of brown color, [it actually reaches a nice golden brown after a few hours of sun-bathing with the least worry about getting skin cancer, thank you very much], for no other reason than i am a freethinker who believes in the exchange of value for value and do not use the racial bullshit argument to get any frigging sympathy from you or anyone else... and more importantly.... because i am not a fucking terrorist, you feeble minded son of a bitch.... and oh yes, you pissed me off, in fact all idiots piss me off. finally, if you still don't get it.... i do not give a rat's arse if the terrorists are muslims, chinese, russians, blue booded brits, or steeeeenking brownie latin-americans.... i would still KILL THEM ALL with the least bit of loss of sleep.... p.s. SINCE YOU brought it up.... here is homework for you... is it true that all terrorits are muslims ? A = NO is it true that all muslims are terrorists A = NO is it true that most muslims are terrorists? A = NO is it true that most terrorists are muslims? A = YES ----- think about that one... hu ? [objectively, without your stupid bias]

To: thames_sider who wrote (2006)	7/20/2005 11:17:11 PM
From: X Y Zebra	Respond to of 540748

Or are you actually proposing that we (well, you) exterminate the entire Muslim umma, all billion or so of them? Wow. Even Hitler never managed quite that peak of anti-Semitism, and it's not often anyone could use him as an example of thinking small with the deranged bigoted genocide plans. .... i forgot..... actually... i am sorry to disappoint you but somebody already used the very same sorry bland arse stupid comparison before you moron... and equally biased, stupidly, and wrong.... here... read some more.... washingtontimes.com Gitmo called death camp By Rowan Scarborough THE WASHINGTON TIMES June 16, 2005 The Senate's No. 2 Democrat has compared the U.S. military's treatment of a suspected al Qaeda terrorist at the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay with the regimes of Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin and Pol Pot, three of history's most heinous dictators, whose regimes killed millions. In a speech on the Senate floor late Tuesday, Minority Whip Richard J. Durbin, Illinois Democrat, castigated the American military's actions by reading an e-mail from an FBI agent. The agent complained to higher-ups that one al Qaeda suspect was chained to the floor, kept in an extremely cold air-conditioned cell and forced to hear loud rap music. The Justice Department is investigating. About 9 million persons, including 6 million Jews, died in Hitler's death camps, 2.7 million persons died in Stalin's gulags and 1.7 million Cambodians died in Pol Pot's scourge of his country. No prisoners have died at Guantanamo, and the Pentagon has acknowledged five instances of abuse or irreverent handling of the Koran, the holy book of Muslims. After reading the e-mail, Mr. Durbin said, "If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners." Mr. Durbin also likened the treatment of terror suspects at the prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq to President Franklin D. Roosevelt's decision to authorize the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II. "It took us almost 40 years for us to acknowledge that we were wrong, to admit that these people should never have been imprisoned. It was a shameful period in American history," Mr. Durbin said. "I believe the torture techniques that have been used at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo and other places fall into that same category." The White House yesterday reacted angrily to Mr. Durbin's remarks. "It's reprehensible, as Defense Secretary [Donald H.] Rumsfeld said, to suggest that the Guantanamo Bay facility is anything like a gulag or a mad regime or Pol Pot," White House spokesman Trent Duffy told The Washington Times. "It is reprehensible, has no place in the current debate, and as we've seen over several years, the detainees in Guantanamo Bay are being treated humanely," he said. "What this is is a disservice to any man and woman serving in the U.S. military who's putting their life on the line each day, because they're trying to paint all military with a broad brush because of the actions of perhaps a few bad apples, who are being punished severely." At the Pentagon, Rumsfeld spokesman Larry Di Rita said of Mr. Durbin's remarks: "I didn't hear what he said, but any such comparison would obviously be outrageous and not remotely connected with reality." *********************************************************** the point being... what the west needs to accomplish is that the TERRORISTS are more afraid of the US army than they are of Hamas, al qada, the PLO and whatever other alphabet soup-terrorist group exists... did you get it...? i said TERRORIST, i did not (or ever said) muslim geeeezzzz.... the only deranged moron is YOU... i hope you can duck when you see a terrorist bombing your own neighborhood... (instead of saying.... 'can we talk about this ?)