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To: epicure who wrote (106891)	7/21/2005 2:05:56 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Since some people appear to think I was advocating changing the constitution, that's not what I was suggesting. Sigh. And some people clearly have no ability to have a no to or about. Sad really. But other people appear to be quite good at no to or abouts- so I have to say that the idea is a good one, even if not everyone can do it. Ah well When you make it all about the personal, it reflects on you for making it all about the personal. If you have ideas, you can counter with ideas, if all you have is personal attacks... then all you have is personal attacks. I have great compassion for people who have only personal attacks, or who deal largely in personal attacks, and for whom everything is personal. I hope they change soon, because I don't think that sort of activity can be good for one.

To: epicure who wrote (106891)	7/22/2005 10:11:59 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

I think democracy worked better some time ago--before the advent of air travel perhaps. It is one thing to have a fairly homogenous population in your country and have full civil rights and the other freedoms enjoyed in democracies. It is quite another thing to have European Muslims declare publicly that England should be a Muslim nation, as the sheikh who spoke out yesterday there did when he declared that the bombings would continue until the western nations leave Iraq. A huge, unassmiliated and angry Muslim underclass in western Europe (and America?) cannot really be full participants in a democracy if they want to destroy it. We are like lambs to the slaughter, really, in that scenario. We are at war with people who live among us. One of last week's bombers taught disabled children and had a wife and 8-month-old daughter. All of the bombers were children of affluent or at least middle-class families. And yet they were radicalized. I absolutely believe we should not have gone to war against Iraq, and that we should have concentrated on capturing Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan. I can understand why we have polarized Muslims against us. And yet I do not want to live in a terrorist war zone or a Muslim nation, either. The world seemed to work better a long time ago in one sense--there was little contact between cultures except for trade. Is it true that the penalty for leaving the Muslim religion is death, incidentally?