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To: tejek who wrote (242491)	7/21/2005 3:21:42 AM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574472

Amy is stating a hypothesis that the Supreme Court should make some attempt to reflect the make up of the general population. No, she didn't say that, and the idea is ridiculous. If 2% of the population is in jail, should 1 in 50 Justices be in jail?! Dopey is as dopey does....

To: tejek who wrote (242491)	7/21/2005 9:04:06 AM
From: steve harris	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574472

Since it's likely Amy won't be back for another three weeks or more, Elroy would be wasting his time disproving her indefensible position... Formerly About Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) 7/20/2005 7:04:04 AM Formerly About Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) 6/30/2005 6:25:57 AM

To: tejek who wrote (242491)	7/21/2005 4:19:00 PM
From: d[-_-]b	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574472

tejek, re:disprove it with empirical evidence that contradicts that hypothesis It appears as though 10-20% is about the correct number according to these statistics. Assuming you use a pool of federal and appeals court judges. One hundred and eight individuals have served on the US Supreme Court including 2 women. In 1981 Sandra Day O'Connor became the first woman ever appointed a Supreme Court Justice. She remains on the court and was joined in 1993 by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg. The two women serve on the current court along with 7 male Justices. [source:: Federal Judges Biographical Database, Federal Judicial Center, fjc.gov Excluding the Supreme Court there are 1,612 Federal judges, 332 (20.6%) are women up from 154 (9.5%) in 1997. There is little racial or ethnic diversity in the federal judiciary - 1,335 (1,069 male, 266 female) judges are Caucasian, 107 (79 male, 28 female) are African American, 53 (42 male, 11 female) are Hispanic, 10 (7 male, 3 female) are Asian American, 3 are Native American men, 104 (80 men and 24 women) are other or not reported.. [sources:: Employee Relations Office, U.S. Courts, "The Judiciary Fair Employment Practices Report", Fiscal Year 1999 and the Federal Judicial Center, History Office, as of Feb. 24, 1997]. Six hundred and fifty-four judges, including 54 women, have served on the U.S. Court of Appeals and 2525 judges, including 202 women, have served on U.S. District Courts since 1789. [source:: Federal Judges Biographical Database, Federal Judicial Center, fjc.gov

To: tejek who wrote (242491)	7/21/2005 4:26:14 PM
From: d[-_-]b	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1574472

tejek, Other numbers: WOMEN ARE - 51% of the adult population... 14.3% of the Cabinet... 14% of the US Senate... 14.26% of the US House... 22% of the US Supreme Court... 20.6% of Federal Judges... 18% of state Governors... 20.8% of state Senators 23% of state Representatives... 9% of state Judges... 20.8% of big city mayors... So the court will be going from 22% to 11%, still higher than state judges - but not exactly a good trend overall.

To: tejek who wrote (242491)	7/21/2005 8:56:15 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574472

So if you disagree with her very reasonable hypothesis, than the onus is on you to disprove it with empirical evidence that contradicts that hypothesis, or to shut up and move on yourself. Not really. A gratuitous assertion can be gratuitously denied. The fact that she might have made the statement first doesn't mean we have to accept it as the default position. You have presented no evidence that the pool of applicants is not in the same ratio as the general population. However, even if the ratio for the pool of applicants is not 50/50 [like the general population] but 60/40 or 70/30 in favor of the men, it very unlikely to come any where near the ratio of the current Court which is roughly 90/10 in favor of the men. I think its less likely to reach 60/40 than it is to be 90/10. The pool would be respected accomplished conservative senior judges (under another president it might be respected accomplished liberal senior judges). I wouldn't be surprised if the ratio for the current pool is 90/10. OTOH it is probably shifting. Give it another generation or two and it certainly won't be 90/10, it might even be more like 50/50. Tim