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To: tejek who wrote (242923)7/23/2005 3:45:42 PM
From: RetiredNow  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 1580654
 
Here's what's wrong with Muslims in the world......

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One in four Muslims sympathises with motives of terrorists
By Anthony King
(Filed: 23/07/2005)

The group portrait of British Muslims painted by YouGov's survey for The Daily Telegraph is at once reassuring and disturbing, in some ways even alarming.

The vast majority of British Muslims condemn the London bombings but a substantial minority are clearly alienated from modern British society and some are prepared to justify terrorist acts.

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The divisions within the Muslim community go deep. Muslims are divided over the morality of the London bombings, over the extent of their loyalty to this country and over how Muslims should respond to recent events.

Most Muslims are evidently moderate and law-abiding but by no means all are.

YouGov sought to gauge the character of the Muslim community's response to the events of July 7. As the figures in the chart show, 88 per cent of British Muslims clearly have no intention of trying to justify the bus and Tube murders.

However, six per cent insist that the bombings were, on the contrary, fully justified.

Six per cent may seem a small proportion but in absolute numbers it amounts to about 100,000 individuals who, if not prepared to carry out terrorist acts, are ready to support those who do.

Moreover, the proportion of YouGov's respondents who, while not condoning the London attacks, have some sympathy with the feelings and motives of those who carried them out is considerably larger - 24 per cent.

A substantial majority, 56 per cent, say that, whether or not they sympathise with the bombers, they can at least understand why some people might want to behave in this way.

YouGov also asked whether or not its Muslim respondents agreed or disagreed with Tony Blair's description of the ideas and ideology of the London bombers as "perverted and poisonous".

Again, while a large majority, 58 per cent, agree with him, a substantial minority, 26 per cent, are reluctant to be so dismissive.

The responses indicate that Muslim men are more likely than Muslim women to be alienated from the mainstream and that the young are more likely to be similarly alienated than the old.

However, there are few signs in YouGov's findings that Muslims of Pakistani and Bangladeshi origin are any more disaffected than their co-religionists from elsewhere.

The sheer scale of Muslim alienation from British society that the survey reveals is remarkable. Although a large majority of British Muslims are more than content to make their home in this country, a significant minority are not.

For example, YouGov asked respondents how loyal they feel towards Britain. As the figures in the chart show, the great majority say they feel "very loyal" (46 per cent) or "fairly loyal" (33 per cent) but nearly one British Muslim in five, 18 per cent, feels little loyalty towards this country or none at all.

If these findings are accurate, and they probably are, well over 100,000 British Muslims feel no loyalty whatsoever towards this country.

The proportion of men who say they feel no loyalty to Britain is more than three times the proportion of women saying the same.

Equally remarkable are YouGov's findings concerning many Muslims' attitudes towards Western society and culture.

YouGov asked respondents how they feel about Western society and how, if at all, they feel Muslims should adapt to it. A majority, 56 per cent, believe "Western society may not be perfect but Muslims should live with it and not seek to bring it to an end".

However, nearly a third of British Muslims, 32 per cent, are far more censorious, believing that "Western society is decadent and immoral and that Muslims should seek to bring it to an end".

Among those who hold this view, almost all go on to say that Muslims should only seek to bring about change by non-violent means but one per cent, about 16,000 individuals, declare themselves willing, possibly even eager, to embrace violence.

Yet again, far more men than women and far more young people than their elders evince this kind of hostility towards the world around them. In addition, tens of thousands of Muslims view the whole of Britain's political establishment with suspicion.

More than half of those interviewed, 52 per cent, believe "British political leaders don't mean it when they talk about equality. They regard the lives of white British people as more valuable than the lives of British Muslims".

Almost as many, 50 per cent, reckon the main party leaders are not being sincere when they say they respect Islam and want to co-operate with Britain's Muslim communities.

Despite Tony Blair's well-publicised efforts to reach out to Muslims, fewer than half of those interviewed, 42 per cent, approve of the way he has handled Britain's response to the July 7 events.

Many British Muslims are probably reluctant to give Mr Blair credit for anything at all following his complicity with America, as they see it, in launching the invasion of Iraq. Just more than half, 52 per cent, are impressed by the performance since the bombings of Sir Iqbal Sacranie, secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Great Britain. Some Muslims' discontent with Britain clearly extends to discontent with the existing moderate and pro-British Muslim leadership.

A cloud of suspicion also hangs over Britain's judicial system.

YouGov asked its Muslim respondents whether or not they thought anyone charged and taken to court in connection with the July 7 attacks would receive a fair trial. Only 37 per cent said yes. The rest reckon he or she would not or were doubtful that they would.

Despite these widespread doubts, a large majority of Britain's Muslims clearly believe the time has come when Muslims must shoulder their share of the responsibility for preventing and punishing terrorist crimes such as those in London.

As the figures in the chart show, roughly a third of Muslims reckon they should assume "a great deal" of the responsibility and another third reckon they should assume at least "some" of it.

Even more impressive in some ways is the fact that large numbers now say they are prepared to put their mouth where their feelings are.

As the figures in the chart show, almost three quarters of British Mulsims, 73 per cent, say they would inform the police if they believed that someone they knew or knew of might be planning a terrorist attack.

Nearly half, 47 per cent, say they would also go to the police if they believed an imam or other religious person was trying to radicalise young Muslims by preaching hatred against the West.

Not only that but 70 per cent of Muslims reckon they have a duty to go to the police if they "see something in the community that makes them feel suspicious".

Taken as a whole, the findings of YouGov's survey suggest that, although large numbers of British Muslims dislike British society and in some cases may be tempted to attack it, the great majority are loyal and law-abiding and are unlikely to provide the radicals with moral support, let alone safe havens.

YouGov interviewed 526 Muslim adults across Great Britain online between July 15 and yesterday. The data were weighted to reflect the composition of Britain's Muslim population by gender, age and country of birth.

YouGov abides by the rules of the British Polling Council.

# Anthony King is professor of government at Essex University.



To: tejek who wrote (242923)7/23/2005 3:49:26 PM
From: RetiredNow  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1580654
 
Here's what's wrong with Muslims.....

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Iran Focus

Tehran, Iran, Jul. 22 – A military garrison has been opened in Iran to recruit and train volunteers for “martyrdom-seeking operations”, according to the garrison’s commander, Mohammad-Reza Jaafari.

Jaafari, a senior officer in the elite Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC), told a hard-line weekly close to Iran’s ultra-conservative President-elect Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that the new “Lovers of Martyrdom Garrison” (Gharargahe Asheghane Shahadat, in Persian) would recruit individuals willing to carry out suicide operations against Western targets.

The full text of the original interview in Persian can be seen on the weekly’s website at www.partosokhan.ir/283/page08.pdf .

“The Lovers of Martyrdom Garrison has been activated and we will form a Martyrdom-seeking Division for each province in the country, organised in brigades, battalions and companies to defend Islam”, Jaafari told the weekly Parto-Sokhan.

The weekly is published in the Shiite holy city of Qom by the Imam Khomeini Educational and Research Institute. The institute’s chairman, hard-line cleric Ayatollah Mohammad-Taghi Mesbah Yazdi, is regarded as the ideological mentor of President-elect Ahmadinejad.

The weekly carried a report in its July 13 issue on a meeting between Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi and the commander of Lovers of Martyrdom Garrison. Jaafari was quoted by the weekly as saying that the organisation of "martyrdom-seeking popular forces" was being implemented on the basis of instructions from the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces.

In the earlier interview, the garrison commander spoke in glowing terms of the newly-elected president.

“I have personally met Dr. Ahmadinejad, the distinguished mayor of Tehran”, Jaafari said. “He is a Bassiji [member of the Revolutionary Guards’ paramilitary forces] and I recommend other officials to make him a role model”.

The commander said that “in Tehran alone, there will be four martyrdom-seeking divisions”, adding that “we are currently in the process of recruitment and organisation and soon volunteers will receive training in accordance to their assigned missions”.

The weekly’s interview with Jaafari appeared under the title, “Commander of Lovers of Martyrdom Garrison: Let America and Israel know, each of our suicide volunteers equals a nuclear bomb”.

Jaafari told the weekly that his organisation had set up branches all over Iran and was in particular aiming to convince young persons to enlist for “martyrdom-seeking operations”.

“One of our garrison’s aims is to spot martyrdom-seeking individuals in society and then recruit and organise them, so that, God willing, at the right moment when the Commander-in-Chief of the country’s armed forces [Ayatollah Khamenei] gives the order, they would be able to enter the scene and carry out their missions”, Jaafari said.

“The Imam [Khomeini] said years ago that Israel must be wiped off the face of the Earth, but so far practical steps have not been taken to achieve this”, the garrison commander said. “Our garrison must spot, recruit, organise and train martyrdom-seeking persons to be able to materialise this objective. Any delay in fulfilling the strategy of the Imam and the Supreme Leader in this regard will not be to the advantage of Islam or the revolution”.

“The United States should know that we have nuclear weapons, but they are in the hearts of our suicide bombers”, Jaafari added.

Jaafari is a senior commander who has met with Khamenei on several occasions, according to the interview. He was chairman of the First Conference in Honour of Unknown Martyrs in Tehran earlier this month. The event was widely reported by Iran’s state-run media, which cited Jaafari’s remarks.



To: tejek who wrote (242923)7/25/2005 3:47:02 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1580654
 
Re: Man shot was not linked to London terror attacks

Not so fast! Actually, the unfortunate Jean Charles de Menezes(*) was related to at least one of the four XTC mules(**) who were killed in the July 7th London bombings.... Menezes was himself an XTC mule working for the same Mossad officer who handled MOHAMMAD SIDIQUE KHAN, (30, FROM DEWSBURY), HASIB MIR HUSSAIN, (18, FROM LEEDS), SHEHZAD TANWEER, (22, FROM LEEDS), and GERMAINE LINDSAY, (19, FROM AYLESBURY, BUCKINGHAMSHIRE)(***). However, as a non-Arab, non-Muslim Brazilian, he was a miscast and wasn't selected to be among the unwitting "jihad martyrs"....

I guess that, when Menezes recognized the faces of his drug-ring colleague(s) in the newspapers he panicked and tried to leave the country as soon as possible.... But Mossad mole A.H. in Scotland Yard just beat him to the exit gate.... Menezes was a loose end, so to speak, that had to be clipped off --lest he blabs off the whole XTC thing to the police... or, worse, to the press.

(*) uk.news.yahoo.com
(**) Message 21485657
(***) news.bbc.co.uk



To: tejek who wrote (242923)7/25/2005 4:33:48 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Respond to of 1580654
 
Follow-up to my previous post:

A life gone and friends ask why
By Sarah Lyall The New York Times

MONDAY, JULY 25, 2005

LONDON
He was an electrician. He was 27 years old. He had lived in London, away from his Brazilian homeland, for more than three years - legally, a cousin said - and was rattled enough by the first wave of bombs in London to consider forgoing the subway and buying a motorbike.

But on Friday morning, Jean Charles de Menezes became another innocent casualty of London's terrorist wars, shot and killed on the London Underground by police officers who mistook him for a would-be suicide bomber.

The police have apologized profusely for what they called a tragedy, but the incident brought fresh horror to spooked Londoners who look at Menezes and see their sons, their brothers - or themselves.

"Now I think it could happen to me, to anyone, to someone who was just visiting," said Menezes' cousin Alex Pereira, a student in London who has emerged as a spokesman for the shocked family. "We are not safe here."

A friend, Edmar Lopes, said in an interview that Menezes "was like a talk machine, talking and talking and talking and excited about everything." [told you so: Menezes was a blabbermouth....]

Pereira described his cousin as friendly, fluent in English, hopeful about life in London and busy with work.

"If you could speak to him for five minutes you could see he was a good person," Pereira said. "He would never have done anything to anyone."

The son of a bricklayer, Menezes grew up near Gonzaga in the state of Minas Gerais, which in recent years has sent many migrants to the United States and Europe. He moved to São Paolo at the age of 14 to live with an uncle, his family said, graduated from high school and became a qualified electrician.

The place where he lived in London, a housing project on Scotia Road in Tulse Hill, south of Brixton, is unusually quiet and unusually pretty. Set around a children's playground, it is free of litter and graffiti and full of blooming flowers and neatly painted front doors. It is also full of different races and ethnicities: blacks, Indians, a few Muslims from the Middle East, some south Americans. Menezes shared an apartment there with two other cousins, Patricia and Vivian.

The police were watching an apartment - possibly another one in Menezes' small building - in connection with the bombings last Thursday. Disastrously, they thought that Menezes had emerged from the apartment in question on Friday, when he left to go to a job in Wilsden Green. Wearing plain clothes, they trailed him up the road and onto the No. 2 bus, bound for the Stockwell Underground stop, a little more than 10 minutes away.

That is when it all unraveled. When Menezes began to enter the station, witnesses said, he was surrounded by police officers who shouted at him to stop. But he ran instead. He jumped over the turnstile and ran down an escalator, stumbling terrified into the Underground car, where he fell face down. Witnesses said that the police then shot him five times in the head and neck, killing him instantly.

In trying to answer the question of why his cousin did not immediately stop when ordered to, Pereira argued that Menezes would never have run from the police. In fact, he had been confronted by them several times before - once in Brixton, when an officer with a dog asked him to open his bag - and had always cooperated, Pereira said.

"They shot him from behind in the back of the neck," said Pereira, who identified his cousin's body. "Can you imagine a worse thing? They could have shot him in the leg, and he would have survived."

Fausto Soares, another Brazilian friend who lives in London, said that perhaps Menezes ran because a confrontation with a gang of English thugs several weeks earlier had made him especially worried about being chased. [as all XTC dealers, Menezes ran afoul of (rival) thugs every now and then....]

This would be particularly true if all the police officers at the station - or at least the ones he was aware of - were wearing plain clothes, Soares said.

"He was a calm guy and stayed out of trouble," Soares said in an interview with O Globo, the newspaper in Rio de Janeiro. "He was attacked by some English guys and because of that probably was afraid and ran."

Making some lunchtime empanadas in her house, just around the corner from Menezes' apartment, Yudith Villarreal said the incident had been doubly frightening. First, the thought that terrorists making bombs were living nearby - the feeling in the neighborhood was that the police had correctly identified a terrorism-connected apartment but mistakenly assumed that Menezes lived in it - and second, the knowledge that there was one more thing to worry about on the subway.

Villarreal, who moved to London from Argentina 14 years ago, said that her teenage son, dark-skinned and dark-haired, carries a backpack on the Underground as he travels to his job, as a trainee hairdresser, in Blackfriars.

Everyone is so on edge now, she added, that it is easy to see why Menezes might have run from the authorities.

"I feel it's unfair if a person is nervous and feels unsafe and sees so many police with guns and stuff," she said. "Something can happen just because you're in the wrong place at the wrong time."

Jonathan Allen contributed reporting from London for this article, and Larry Rohter from Rio de Janeiro.

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