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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (64461)	7/25/2005 7:28:49 AM
From: steve harris	Respond to of 81568

lol, what "facts are in"? I've seen nothing posted here except editorials written by the opposition party out of power...

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (64461)	7/25/2005 10:44:12 AM
From: lorne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 81568

chinu. What is this! A democratic party leader at last getting a glimmer of understanding about just what is going on with moslum terrorists..... Better late than never. Lets hope this spreads throughout the democratic party. Top US senator urges Muslim leaders to widely denounce terror Sun Jul 24, 7:43 PM ET news.yahoo.com WASHINGTON (AFP) - A top US Senator urged Muslim leaders across the world to issue a slew of religious edicts denouncing terrorism and warned that mosques in "many places" are enabling terrorists. Senator Dianne Feinstein spoke in the wake of Saturday's bombings in the Egyptian Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, where 88 people were killed, and the July 7 attacks in London, where 52 people and four suicide bombers died. A new attack in London failed Thursday. "I think until the mosques in the Muslim world and the imams in the Muslim world in a major way issue fatwa after fatwa denouncing jihad and denouncing terror that we're not going make any progress," the California Democrat told CNN. "I don't see many, if any, major imams throughout all of the Muslim countries coming together and saying: Enough of this. Stop. This is not Islam. You know, we object to it," she said. "Until there is something like an excommunication that would take place in the Catholic Church where, if you are going to engage in this thing, do not frequent our mosques, you don't see this," Feinstein said. She added: "What you see in many places is that the mosque becomes an enabler one way or another." In a separate interview, Prince Turki al-Faisal, Saudi Arabia's incoming US ambassador, told CNN that many Muslim leaders have denounced suicide bombings, but it has not "resonated enough in the world media." Al-Faisal co-authored an article in Britain's The Sunday Telegraph on Sunday calling on "the Islamic world to acknowledge the cancer within its own community and to root it (suicide bombing) out." "Many fatwas have come out from Muslim scholars and religious leaders against suicide bombings and against the killings that have taken place, but they're just not getting enough resonance in the public media and the public audiences that should be where these statements are directed," he told CNN. Asked about criticism here that Saudi Arabia was not doing enough to clamp down on international terrorism, al-Faisal replied: "I think it's a misplaced criticism ... Saudi Arabia is really in the forefront of the fight against terrorism, and has been for many years."

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (64461)	7/25/2005 10:45:38 AM
From: lorne	Respond to of 81568

chinu. More moderate muslims??????????? Christians face jail for giving treats to children of Muslims By Nick Meo in Jakarta July 25, 2005 timesonline.co.uk THREE Indonesian housewives face up to five years in prison for allegedly trying to lure Muslim children into Christianity at a Sunday School “Happy Week”. Senior Christian figures claim that the prosecution is politically motivated and part of a campaign of persecution by Islamic fundamentalists against Indonesia’s Christian minority — about 8 per cent of the Muslim-majority population. The three women faced threats from a yelling mob of 150 fundamentalists during a court appearance in West Java last week. It is claimed that the women were teaching lessons in reading and writing to mixed classes of Christian and Muslim children, taking them on trips to parks and swimming pools, and rewarding them with treats such as pencils for memorising Christian prayers and Bible verses. Many of the alleged offences took place at a special Happy Week earlier this year, although the lessons began in 2003. A claim of “Christianisation” was made against the women by a chapter of the Indonesian Council of Muslim Clerics, which alleged that they enticed Muslim children to participate and that they had tried to convert the children to Christianity by giving them gifts. The three, Rebekka Zakaria, Ratna Mala Bangun and Ety Pangesti, have been held in prison since May, charged under Indonesia’s criminal law with using lies, deception or enticement to change a child’s religion. They are evangelical Christians who belong to the Church of David’s Camp in Haurgelis, a strongly Muslim fundamentalist area in West Java which is about 2 per cent Christian. They say that the Muslim children were friends of Christian youngsters and were attending with the consent of their parents. No attempts were made to convert them, they say. Bambang Widjaya, the chairman of the Indonesian Council of Evangelical Churches, said: “The main motive behind this is political. Fundamentalists want to use this case to launch a political campaign and rally support for their goal of implementing Sharia (Islamic law). “The Government is too scared of Muslim voters to intervene. In many areas Muslims are tolerant, but in other areas where there are fundamentalists there is discrimination. Fundamentalists are growing in influence in our country. “These women have been terrorised by mobs, who have even tried to hit them. They are not scared, however. They are very tough women.” About 10,000 Christians were killed in Indonesia between 1998 and 2003 and about 1,000 churches were burnt down by Muslim mobs, according to campaigners. Although religious conflict has eased in recent years campaigners say that about 100 churches have been closed down in the past five years in West Java.